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feltmonkey

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the set-up is fine, and the way we're playing isn't bad, but Rooney is undermining everything. we're trying to play good possession football, and he keeps giving the ball away with attempted crossfield balls. this is making us vulnerable on the counter attack. Hernandez would be a better choice here - he'd actually play as a centre-forward and occupy the defence, rather than dropping back and having to get so involved in the build-up.

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feltmonkey

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interesting substitution. Carrick into defence, Rooney into midfield? is Evans injured again? that would be a shame.

i love the guy, but Kagawa has been in completely ineffective mode today. him and Mata seem more interested in flicking the ball to each other than actually creating anything. poor Nani has looked out of sorts, as you'd expect. he's looked unsure of what to do every time he's had the ball.

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I think what disappoints me most is our lack of fight. As unlikely as it would be to get fourth, it was still mathematically possible, so we should have been fighting to the death for that. As it is, we're almost certainly going to finish lower than Everton. I think that says everything anybody needs to know about our pathetic joke of a manager.

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Bleeders

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This isn't Man United. Everything good about this club has been stripped away in a season, it's fucking horrible to watch. Martinez has take the solid foundations of what Moyes has done and built on that and taken them further. Everton, a team also in transition if you will, that keeps getting bandied around as some excuse these days.

2-0 flattered us to be honest.

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I cannot remember a manager under achieving so badly and not being sacked. He surely has to go after this defeat. How can you go from champions, not really lose any players and go to this.

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feltmonkey

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yeah, Everton were much more superior than 2-0 suggests, despite our possession. more superior? is that the right phrase?

anyway, i agree the lack of fight was disappointing. it was noticable that when Hernandez came on he provided more drive and determination on his own than the rest of the team had done for the whole 90 minutes. his endeavor created a sitter for Rooney which he missed. any one of us would have put that away, surely? if i'd missed that in sunday league, or even a kick about in the park, i'd be furious with myself for days.

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I don't get why United fans online always moan at Rooney's performances. Maybe it's because he hasn't lived up to his potential he showed as an 18 year old, but take him for what he is. He's scored over 10 goals all 10 seasons he's been here despite playing in all manner of forward positions to accommodate Ronaldo or RVP. He's probably got over 10 assists every year apart from the two years he actually led the line, where he scored way over 20 league goals both times. Yeah he has poor games like vs Bayern (he might not even have been fully fit), but so does everyone who's not Messi or Ronaldo. Suarez was shit against City and West Ham, it happens.

Against the current top 10:

Goals: 4 (Irrelevant goal against City, 2 against Spurs, 1 V Stoke)

Assists: 1 ( A corner against Arsenal)

Performance today: doghsit

Sitter missed today? Yes

Performance against Munich:

Goals= Nil

Assists= 1 corner.

So, in 19 games (have one game against Soton left): 4 goals and 2 assists.

World class.

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Majora

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It was dismal. Rooney in particular pissed me off because he kept dropping deep which meant we had no striker for most of the game, hence the pointless passing around the final third. Mata and Kagawa may take some heat for pretty but ineffectual passing and flicking but if there's nothing ahead of you then there's not that much you can do.

This stat is pretty shocking, in a season full of pathetic statistics and records:

Daniel Taylor (@DTguardian)

April 20, 2014

That's three goals in ten matches for Man Utd v the top five this season. Joint worst figures in league (with Spurs)

Three goals in ten for a team with the attacking players Utd have, a team who built their success on being a free-scoring attacking force. We still have exactly the same forward players as last year, plus Mata, plus Januzaj. It's almost as if something has changed in the interim....

Oh, and in case anyone was deluding themselves that we've been showing signs of progress, we're 8th in the 2014 only table.

The worst thing the board could do is stick with Moyes and give him the biggest transfer pot we've had to spend in years. Fuck any noise about us not being a sacking club, you don't make these decisions based on some kind of bizarre reputation game where you get brownie points for sticking with someone who's clearly not right for the club. He's responsible for a huge, almost unfathomable, downswing in goals scored, performances and points taken. I honestly believe another season of this could be catastrophic and take years to recover from. I'm not expecting another manager to come in and make us champions again next season but this just can't continue.

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Bleeders

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Moyes must've been watching a different game to everyone else.

Moyes: "We had great control of the game and got done by two stupid decisions, two stupid goals, we passed the ball really well"

Moyes also went on to say he's working behind the scenes to build "a team capable of winning more games". WTF :blink:

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Thought Everton were excellent and looked like scoring pretty much every time they went forward - whereas every time you guys went forward you looked like all you were doing was creating space for Everton to counter-attack into. When Parry said that - at 2-0 down - United should be taking more chances and Neville said "This is them doing that" (I'm paraphrasing, can't recall the exact wording), you knew he wasn't joking and it pained him to say it.

Phil Jones looks to be a constant liability for you guys, doesn't he? What on Earth was he thinking? I actually felt really sorry for him because he just always looks sad, and he looked like he might cry when the penalty was awarded. Rooney was running around a lot without purpose (again) and affected all of your play, Mata and Kagawa were just trying to be too cute at times (as has been mentioned) and Nani was anonymous.

It's amazing the contrast from that performance to the reverse fixture at Old Trafford, where you were all over them and they really performed a smash-and-grab. But you couldn't handle the pace with which they played today, you are a pretty sluggish team these days.

It's going to be an even bigger Summer than last season for the club, I think.

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United had 64% possession and it was as run of the mill a victory for Everton as they've probably had all season. It was the usual stuff, United slow and non-threatening, opposition quick, dynamic and constantly a threat.

I also agree with what everyone has said about Rooney. Why did he insist on dropping deep and stifling both Mata and Kagawa? Useless today.

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Well there's only one thing that could end this season on a high now.

The board to come out and say that Moyes won't be our manager next season.

Surely they won't continue with him. Forget all the 'we're not a sacking club' nonsense, it simply would be suicidal business sense to keep him at the helm. He's had his season. He's shown nothing but a complete inability in every aspect of his job. We tried. He failed. Let's draw a line under it and start putting things right.

I don't even see any point in waiting until the end of the season either. We've got nothing left. Get him out now and stop the rot.

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It's got to the point that you have to wonder if the owners even care. Because there is no other explanation for Moyes still being manager. If he's not sacked in the next 24 hours then it looks like we're stuck with him. Oh and it seems Danny Welbeck has handed in a transfer request according to the Guardian.

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David Moyes on being the centre of attention today: "Well [i'm] not. It's about two teams. One team is trying to make a Champions League spot, and we've still got an outside chance, but we want to finish as high up the table as we can. So the concentration is totally on the game."

On the guardian min by min, before the game, did I read this right?

Anyway, great to watch Coleman's runs today towards the end of the game. Everton seemed to get more aggressive as the game wore on, pressurizing the united players and darting towards goal in numbers, again and again.

vs arsenal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwDL59jtlTQ

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