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bowser123

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The only reasons I can see that Moyes hasn't yet been sacked are that the season's a write off anyway and leaving him in place until the summer will give the board the time to find a suitable replacement.

Or, they have faith in him and that he's here to stay. He'll get the big transfer kitty and they're confident he can turn it around.

I really hope it's the former because what I've seen of his man management, his defeatist nature and tactical ability doesn't instill me with any confidence whatsoever.

Apparently there are covenants in his contract. One such clause is should he fail to make the Champions League that they are free to terminate without having to pay off the remainder of his contract. So maybe they're waiting for the formality to become a reality and get rid at the end of the season.

At the same time it could all be bullshit- there's been enough rubbish and twisted quotes this season alone to suggest it may be the case. That said there's been some very specific stories of late so maybe somebody from within is briefing the media, and usually that sort of thing only happens when a club has made it's mind up.

Personally I think the club will be reluctant to do anything whilst he still has the strong backing of Fergie and Charlton, that it'll take a sustained hostile crowd reaction to force the issue. Maybe the plane on Saturday will kick it all off. It was noticeable to me the defiance from the fans during the Scouse game wasn't replicated mid week.

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Apparently there are covenants in his contract. One such clause is should he fail to make the Champions League that they are free to terminate without having to pay off the remainder of his contract. So maybe they're waiting for the formality to become a reality and get rid at the end of the season.

if that's true about his contract, then that has to be the case. he's a dead man walking, surely? he keeps stressing that it's going to be a long job to overhaul the team, and that other teams have had these dips and come back. i can't really think of anyone else who have had quite such a plummet. is he referring to Liverpool in the early 90s? so it's going to be another 25 years before we're back with a (fairly unrealistic) shout at the title? most teams change manager without anything like such a hitch. the longevity and obvious genius of the previous man in charge makes it more difficult, but that cannot be the only factor in this disastrous season. most transitions are not this dramatic, and don't take that much of a long time to work their way back to stability, certainly not the multiple seasons he seems to be implying. all Moyes is doing by going on about what a big job it will be to rebuild is trying to buy himself more time in the job. he's looking out for himself to the detriment of the club.

giving the manager time and sticking to your guns are only really virtues up to a certain point. i think any of us would have accepted bad results and a period of rebuilding, if there had been any sense of progress towards a clear goal. instead, we have a backward slide from a bad beginning, a general aimlessness, and a manager who keeps admitting he has no idea why we're not winning. the mentality is all wrong - negativity on and off the pitch, a sense that we're always going to lose to the good teams, and lose heavily.

i deliberately didn't watch the Man City game, because it was our anniversary. my wife would probably not have minded had i wanted to watch the football, and allowed us to work our evening around that (really! she's a keeper), but i knew we would lose and didn't want that to ruin the evening, so i didn't even mention that there was a match on. i can't even be bothered to watch the highlights i recorded. i feel a bit ashamed about that, but it's the way this season has been. it's just not worth ruining your evening by watching this current team.

there are some damning statistics in that Telegraph article aehii linked to. the fact that we've scored the same amount of goals at home as Cardiff and Fulham is depressing. the fact that results have significantly worsened in 2014 is telling. we're not working slowly towards better days, we're going in completely the opposite direction. We're getting worse.

he has to go. surely even the most stubborn of observers must see that. he absolutely has to go.

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It was always going to be tough season and yes the squad is lacking, a lot, in numerous areas but it is not 6 points/potentially 9 points worse than Everton's. This is the crux of the issue for me. Everton have gotten better without Moyes and United significantly worse with him. Sometimes, no matter how much time someone is given they are simply the wrong choice. it's better to identify and rectify this early.

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Wherever he ends up its going to be embarrassing for him. Imagine his press conference in 6 months, "im delighted to become part of the Charlton Athletic family". The killer for me is the man management thing. I could forgive him naievety, tactics and so on, but he's clearly a cunt to work for. One of these ones demanding more and more hard work over actual skill. Increased drills instead of free kick practise and so on. No wonder theyre not playing for him.

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Stuff

The Liverpool situation is actually quite similar I guess, albeit football has changed a lot so I don't think a club the size of Man U - and the bigger resources they have - would suffer the same fate. That said, like the Liverpool side of 1991, the seeds had been sown the year before with an ageing team that recruited poorly. For whilst your midfield has been an issue for a while, for us it was the defence that needed attention.

What do you think the worst-case scenario is if Moyes were to stay for the next couple of seasons at least? I suggested in the Arsenal thread that perhaps it's time for a change there, but it has been said that Wenger does a lot of stuff outside what happens on a matchday. Would United fans accept that, even for a season or two, if ultimately the club came out the other side better?

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I cannot remember the last time I watched man it's score a classy passing goal; and I mean not one which came down the wing. One that's been passed around the midfield and then fed through to a striker to round the keeper, or calmly slot past him in a 1-1. Has Carrick even got an assist this season?

People go on about good results followed by bad results followed by good results but good performances and good goals... I haven't seen any for ages.

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So what do you guys think about the plane and banner that will be flown before the kick-off tomorrow? That kind of action is not really something you would associate with Man U, that's for sure. The BBC article says that another plane has been hired at the same time but details about it are unknown.

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So what do you guys think about the plane and banner that will be flown before the kick-off tomorrow? That kind of action is not really something you would associate with Man U, that's for sure. The BBC article says that another plane has been hired at the same time but details about it are unknown.

they shouldn't do it, they might think its a good idea now but it'll probably look really stupid in years to come
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Moyes: "I think that if Sir Alex was here this year it would be difficult for him as well and he would be aware of that." #MUFC

Not sure if Dave is aware that Sir never presided over a Manchester Utd team that finished below 3rd in the Premier League era.

But, let's go back to the beginning of the season where he said.

"This is the squad that finished 11 points clear at the top of the league last season so I am confident in the squad,"

"But even without additions this squad will be tough opponents for any team - they will be looking at Manchester United."

Really any wonder the players don't look like they want to play for him?

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I cannot remember the last time I watched man it's score a classy passing goal; and I mean not one which came down the wing. One that's been passed around the midfield and then fed through to a striker to round the keeper, or calmly slot past him in a 1-1. Has Carrick even got an assist this season?

People go on about good results followed by bad results followed by good results but good performances and good goals... I haven't seen any for ages.

Welbeck against WBA, the third goal about three weeks ago.

So what do you guys think about the plane and banner that will be flown before the kick-off tomorrow? That kind of action is not really something you would associate with Man U, that's for sure. The BBC article says that another plane has been hired at the same time but details about it are unknown.

The exact same group of fans paid for the exact same stunt and flew a banner over Anfield. It very much is an action you'd associate with Red Issue. They too started Green and Gold.

http://icantpromote.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/bonjour-19x-icdj.html

The second banner is apparently Betfair, will be a negative Moyes message and is a follow up to them sending a guy dressed as the Grim Reaper to the game the other week.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/david-moyes-heckled-by-the-grim-reaper-during-manchester-uniteds-win-over-olympiakos-as-he-claims-im-coming-for-you-9205650.html

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Actually, I have an issue with you calling our manager a cunt. Yes, get lost out of a thread about my team. Fuck off angel, you're a clueless, pointless troll.

You nit. Anyway, youre on ignore.

Unbelievable comments on Sir Alex. Dead man walking now, ridiculous.

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Moyes: "I think that if Sir Alex was here this year it would be difficult for him as well and he would be aware of that." #MUFC

Unbelievable. I'm not sure SAF would have had such struggles with his League Champions squad plus £80m worth of additions.

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Gabe

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Moyes has really made a rod for himself with those comments.

You can read it that he's saying he's on the same level as SAF in terms of trying to get something out of that squad, or he's very subtlety blaming the aging squad on SAF. Either way, deflecting the blame when he inherited the league champions and had a full 3 months to address the squad issue is crazy. Especially when the man he's deflecting it onto is one of the key men probably still keeping him there!

Every match he wins is going to be like gaining a stay of execution now, so far as the press are concerned, and we're just going to get more reports talking about the crowd, rather than the match, where points are dropped. The end of the season probably can't come soon enough for him at the moment.

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This is fantastic and the best piece I've read on Moyes at United. Everyone should read it.

It’s clear now that the squad and the youth setup was only the hardware of the United system. The software that made it work was all in Ferguson’s head. How do you hand over the keys to a kingdom of the mind?

I've read about the gruelling training regime [that sounded like boot camp] before by Phil Neville, with the description of Moyes laughing away. I don't know what evidence there is to support the idea that Moyes is anything but old fashioned and archaic in his methods. Van Persie is one of the most intelligent players around with his economy of movement, to apply such a blunt approach to training with players like him seems so backwards.

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This is fantastic and the best piece I've read on Moyes at United. Everyone should read it.

Really? I thought that article didn't really tell us anything that we didn't already know. Man U themselves stated very clearly why they went for Moyes over, say Mourinho.

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Well, I must say it's been a breath of fresh air seeing both Moyes and Giggs being confident about tonight's match, and although I don't share their optimism I am looking forward to it.

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