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Why does everyone say Mata would be wasted if we played him alongside Rooney and Adnan in a 3. Yes if you are David Moyes getting him to play like Valencia, but ge wasn't wasted at Chelsea playing alongside Oscar and Hazard, they all moved around the pitch.

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Rafael Evans Smalling Evra

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Bowser, do you live in Manchester? Do you fancy going to a game?* I can get hold of a couple of season tickets in the Stretford end if you fancy it. It'd be good to go to the match with someone as obviously passionate about it as yourself.

*no homo.

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Bowser, do you live in Manchester? Do you fancy going to a game?* I can get hold of a couple of season tickets in the Stretford end if you fancy it. It'd be good to go to the match with someone as obviously passionate about it as yourself.

*no homo.

That's a brilliant and very kind offer, thank you very much.

Yes, I live in Manchester. Well technically Trafford but it's a stones throw from the training ground.

However I also haven't given the club a penny since 2005 because of the parasites, be it in shirts, tickets, membership or whatever. I am totally aware the gesture is futile and pointless but I am not going to change now, nor do I expect you to give the ticket for free. I feel sad that I've missed watching the best United player of my lifetime live (well at his peak, as Ronnie was there prior to 2005), but like I was trying to say some things are more important than 7th. Plus I saw Eric play so haven't done too bad I guess.

Thanks though, it's a lovely thought and very much appreciated.

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Why does everyone say Mata would be wasted if we played him alongside Rooney and Adnan in a 3. Yes if you are David Moyes getting him to play like Valencia, but ge wasn't wasted at Chelsea playing alongside Oscar and Hazard, they all moved around the pitch.

DDG

Rafael Evans Smalling Evra

Fletcher Carrick

Mata Rooney Januzaj

RVP

Should challenge for the title.

Because Mata is the kind of player you build a team around, I said the same with Kagawa too. His performances for Dortmund had me massively excited when we signed him yet he's played a handful of games in his natural position, done well and then been dropped the next game and we've just wasted a fantastically talented footballer who can unlock defences.

I'm sure Mata can do a job on the right, I just don't think he should be playing there. He needs to be in the number 10 role, his natural one. If we've bought as a right sided player then I think its a waste of £37m. Rooney just isn't a number 10 for me, his passing isn't good enough and he's not 'cute' enough at times. I much prefer him leading the line, but we have Van Persie.

I think the one thing the team doesn't have at the moment is balance.

Jon; thats a polite way of saying he doesn't want to go and listen to you moan! That is a joke by the way, its a nice gesture :)

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That's a brilliant and very kind offer, thank you very much.

Yes, I live in Manchester. Well technically Trafford but it's a stones throw from the training ground.

However I also haven't given the club a penny since 2005 because of the parasites, be it in shirts, tickets, membership or whatever. I am totally aware the gesture is futile and pointless but I am not going to change now, nor do I expect you to give the ticket for free. I feel sad that I've missed watching the best United player of my lifetime live (well at his peak, as Ronnie was there prior to 2005), but like I was trying to say some things are more important than 7th. Plus I saw Eric play so haven't done too bad I guess.

Thanks though, it's a lovely thought and very much appreciated.

No worries. To be honest my attendance has slowly declined over the last few seasons to the point where I'm only going once or twice a season now. It was just an offer based on your obvious passion for them and it would have been good to argue with you in real life, rather than on here!

Anyway, the offer still stands if you ever change your mind. The season tickets have been passed through many generations of fans, so they won't be getting handed in any time soon.

So, what are are thinking about tonight then? Until he reveals his team sheet I really have no idea, but I just hope he picks a squad that plays to the players strengths and tries a different approach. God knows the last one didn't work.

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No worries. To be honest my attendance has slowly declined over the last few seasons to the point where I'm only going once or twice a season now. It was just an offer based on your obvious passion for them and it would have been good to argue with you in real life, rather than on here!

Anyway, the offer still stands if you ever change your mind. The season tickets have been passed through many generations of fans, so they won't be getting handed in any time soon.

So, what are are thinking about tonight then? Until he reveals his team sheet I really have no idea, but I just hope he picks a squad that plays to the players strengths and tries a different approach. God knows the last one didn't work.

I honestly don't know how we'll line up tonight. I can see Rooney and RvP both starting again, so that limits changing the approach I think. I think Jones and Felliani are still missing right?

My guess for tonight:

De Gea, Rafael, Evra, Vidic, Smalling, Carrick, Cleverley, Mata, Januzaj, Rooney & Van Persie.

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Pretty uninspiring stuff this,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26152537

"A lot of people are looking at the Fulham game and saying we crossed it too much. If we hadn't crossed it they would be saying we should have crossed it more.

"Anybody who watched the game the other day and didn't think we deserved to win by a hundred miles knows nothing about it."

I must know nothing about it then.

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Theres so much "deserving" talk in football, when really all you really deserve is exactly what you get. If you hit the bar 20 times, well yes you were nearly there but you don't deserve to score and therefore win until you do. But I know what he means, i'm just being pedantic I suppose.

I guess the problem is apparently Man Utd deserve to be winning almost every match according to Moyes.

Its a big difference to Fergie who used to win you matches and league titles you didn't deserve! (Of course you did deserve them really... which is my point).

Its a complete 180 for you guys.

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He's talking about deserving better and luck and he has a point, to an extent. Moyes absolutely can't get a break at the minute.

We should have had a penalty against Fulham. He's correct in saying only one team tried to play, that we missed chances that we'd normally score (RVP in the 1st half in particular), that Januzaj would have scored had it not hit Chicarito. He's right that Stoke scored a total fluke. Even the wonder goal had an element of luck as just before it reached Adam their player had done a total air shot and it bounced of his standing leg and fell just right into the ball strikers path. That goal might not even have occurred at Old Trafford as the wind assisted the shot and that comes across by being just about the only Premier League stadium that has massive gaping holes in the corners that funnel the weather. He's right that we should have had a pen at Spurs, that the goalkeeper could have been sent off on about three occasions in that one match.

In any other competition in the world we'd have won on away goals against Sunderland, however because the League Cup is bollocks it went to extra time. He had no luck that DDG made such a bad error in the 119th minute on their first shot in the same game. We should have had a penalty against Chelsea and their opener took a wicked deflection after we started brightly.

I think we've conceded 5 goals that have been crucial in the 90th minute or beyond. And on it goes, only I can't be bothered listing them.

The thing is he's right, he isn't getting any breaks. But so fucking what- we should be playing better so that these things don't matter. People joke about Fergie time and bias but his teams made it so that it didn't matter that we didn't always get the bounce. Of course there where noticeable exceptions where he'd go ballistic about a decision but largely he responded to adversity and the team did. Right now the team is starting brightly, not breaking through and not responding when something happens. Alternatively he tries to defend narrow leads that have gone comically wrong.

The big thing for me is everybody used to say Fergie time, cheating, bias, luck that we scored late. There was no luck involved in our late winners. Team went ahead then retreated at about 70 minutes and got deeper and deeper. They'd change what they'd done so swell the previous hour. They stopped passing the ball and kicked it back to us. Often they'd take off their lone striker who was holding the ball up and had no out ball who'd buy them a cheap freekick or a minutes rest. We'd pile the pressure on, get people in the box and it was inevitable we'd score because of the sheer volume of numbers in the box, the intensity and the fact the opposition where knackered.

On Sunday we had the attackers on and sacrificed defensively (which backfired), but did at any time we build real momentum? Just before the first goal, and the quick second was the only concerted pressure. So what, 5-10 minutes max if you're being generous where they worried the opposition. Fulham where very comfortable before our goal. Did we go for the third and bury them? Did we fuck.

He's right in a sense crossing isn't inherently bad. The difference at the weekend to a year ago was that we where tossing it in from deep and hoping. Like if you do it enough one will stick, be it by error or deflection or movement. In a way he was right, Carrick scored from a poorly cleared cross that took a deflection because they had so many so deep. Last year we'd get around the full back, which drew the CB out of position and where crossing into space from in or around the byline. Not tossing it in from the edge of the box to a packed area with a 7 foot CB.

At the weekend their full backs played as CB's and didn't move. Rafael largely had a free time to cross, as did Young. At best they had a midfielder pretending to block the cross. Why didn't they drive towards the box and invite a challenge, or shoot? I'm not saying dive in the box but at times there where options to run at them into the box where they'll be reluctant to tackle or the crowd could build pressure on the ref if they didn't tackle 100% cleanly.

No, instead we hit cross after cross after cross after cross.

The cross was either cleared or fell to the edge of the box. Of which there was no right sided player to continue as Mata was on walkabout and Rafael can't be expected to constantly attack the back post.

That's not bad luck but poor play and is easy to defend against. It's scandalous Mata or somebody wasn't told to play on the right. I saw the issue after 10 minutes and was screaming after 30. Why didn't we react or change? It isn't PS3 and Moyes doesn't have a pad so he isn't necessarily to blame for Rafael booting it straight out or Young being Young. The thing is Januzaj came on and stuck rigidly to the line, more so than I've ever seen and just crossed it- he's clearly doing as instructed.

I think in many ways Moyes has been given a dud hand, that he's crippled by policies, decisions and stories that happened many years ago. He's totally to blame for that shit house, boring ass, pathetic performance at the weekend and to suggest we played well is not only a travesty but an insult. It wasn't on the cowardly stakes of our performance at City away in 2012 so not the worst but has to be the most stupid, pathetic and frustrating game I can think of.

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No worries. To be honest my attendance has slowly declined over the last few seasons to the point where I'm only going once or twice a season now. It was just an offer based on your obvious passion for them and it would have been good to argue with you in real life, rather than on here!

Anyway, the offer still stands if you ever change your mind. The season tickets have been passed through many generations of fans, so they won't be getting handed in any time soon.

So, what are are thinking about tonight then? Until he reveals his team sheet I really have no idea, but I just hope he picks a squad that plays to the players strengths and tries a different approach. God knows the last one didn't work.

Is the absence apathy, work related, better stuff in life to do or not always having ticket access? I know lads who go at home and do away, and whilst away is always a craic home seems better this season for atmosphere. That's my perception and they agree. Not that it matters!

I do miss it immensely.

Thought a boycott would work as so many left too but sadly instead they where replaced by people who accepted being customers. Owners probably loved it in hindsight- rid of rowdy, uncooperative fans who'd stand and shout, who wouldn't go in the megastore or wear fucking half and halves. Replace the rabble with folk who'd pay up, sit down and shut up.

G+G was a wonderful effort but ultimately futile. Though I'll always remember those pics of the duplicate Glazer banners in the Strettie, the scarves, the noise. Beckham even put the scarf on! Then pretended not to understand it's significance :( I can only go off the TV pictures and listening to people who where there but I thought the fight was on.

My distaste is too deep and to the extent that I blame our legendary ex manager and resent so much about the club that I could rival an ABU for criticism of it. Fear I'm lost to the radio and watching other peoples Sky Sports for the foreseeable.

Tonight? I hope for a response, I am doubtful we will get it. It's not even selection related but a concern at the confidence and strength of the players mentality.

I remember losing 5 nil to Newcastle, getting beat 6-3 away to Southampton the week later and complaining about kit colours. Next game we lose in Europe, at home, to Turkish no hopers. We then got turned over again at home by Chelsea, when Chelsea weren't oil rich. All that in about 2 weeks. Worst run of results I can remember.

There where more painful results- drawing at an already relegated West Ham in 95 to hand it to Blackburn was crushing and I've hated them since. I was gutted we didn't try against them in 06/07 and absolutely murder them to relegate the bastards. I know we'd won the league already but I remembered what they'd done and hoped Fergie would let the boys know too. Cup Final defeat too the week later in 95 topped it off.

Being destroyed the second time by Barcelona was abject. I expected it given the first final and that we hadn't changed. But it was the stark realisation that we where so far behind and had absolutely no chance and where so utterly inferior. I had a similar feeling after being battered 4 nil off them in the 90s yet what I take from that game was the brilliance of Romario, Stoitchkov and Koeman. I think that game opened my little school boy eyes to the fact football was a world sport and that United, dominant domestically, weren't really the best. Maybe in twenty years I'll be able to reminisce over Messi, Xavi and Iniesta and not just feel so utterly defeated like I did in the second final.

Aaaaagggggggggguuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrooooooooooooo. The cunt. Well not really as he seems sound and is genuinely brilliant. The cunt. The problem wasn't necessarily losing the league as I knew they'd beat QPR, it was the hope. Moments to go and... well, you know. The cunt. It was the hope and I'd so have preferred City to win 6 nil with them scoring a load in the first ten. Away to them was nearly as bad such was our cowardice and acceptance to go down without a fight but that was more anger and frustration than the stunned pain of what happened later.

Anyway. I'm probably incorrectly paraphrasing Fergie or more likely murdering his statement but the intent behind the message is the same.

"This club responds to adversity, the defeat was a bad one. I will make sure there's a response in the next game. There's no question about that"

I just don't feel the same with a current manager who looks defeated and shell shocked, players that despite trying and hurting don't have the capacity to respond, even if it's only a dogged, wretched 1nil win. None take responsibility and Vidics actions against Chelsea summed it up for me that there's no leadership on or off the field.

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I think that quote is deliberately misleading as he goes on to say we've historically bought and sold X number every year, this time it's possible and we intend to do more. That they're prepared to act in a way they haven't in recent times. Which gives a different slant to the connotations of that selective quote.

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