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We've been poor again. Even I'm getting sick of saying it now, but we just don't look like scoring.

As skillful as Berbatov is on the ball, his positioning off it is absolute shite. He's continually playing far too deep and leaving nobody up top to score. He really needs to sort his game out.

He's had long enough to prove himself now, but I really don't think we should persevere with him any longer.

Oh yeah, as I said after Bayern beat us 2-1, this is our season over. Even Liverpool can finish the season better off than us if they win the Europa League! :)

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I dont see it as the end for Berbatov more likely Carrick; if we hopefully find a creative central midfielder over the summer a van Der Vaart type, just a player who can treat a ball through for Berba or Rooney to latch on to...

We do need to replace the class of 92 players though ie Giggs, Scholes and the Neviller; well the Neviller lesser so as Rafael has done a pretty good job there this season.

Berbatov is a quality player, he just needs the service, if we had Torres he's be just as frustrated at the service he had today...

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I don't agree. Even with the best passes and crosses coming his way I just don't think Berbatov's positional play is any good. In fact I'd say it's fucking terrible.

Anyway, yet again we were devoid of ideas, ambition and passion. Just an all round shit performance. Again.

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Oh yeah, as I said after Bayern beat us 2-1, this is our season over. Even Liverpool can finish the season better off than us if they win the Europa League! :D

Well, when you say that every week from August to May you are bound to be right occasionally. :)

Why are you so happy anyway? Who cares what Liverpool do?

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I dont see it as the end for Berbatov more likely Carrick; if we hopefully find a creative central midfielder over the summer a van Der Vaart type, just a player who can treat a ball through for Berba or Rooney to latch on to...

We do need to replace the class of 92 players though ie Giggs, Scholes and the Neviller; well the Neviller lesser so as Rafael has done a pretty good job there this season.

Berbatov is a quality player, he just needs the service, if we had Torres he's be just as frustrated at the service he had today...

The problem is that when in a 4-4-2 we look like we need a creative central midfielder (although Flecther has done a very good job there) and in a 4-3-3 we are screaming out for a better anchoring midfielder. There is no way we will sign both so personally I think that latter is a more urgent requirement as Carrick just hasn't been good enough for nearly two seasons.

The only reason Neville has played so much is because of our ridiculous injury situation at the back although if he gets offered a contract extension I might actually be forced to take ouy a hit on him. His only redeeming feature is his crossing and that has been woeful recently.

My biggest problem with Berbatov today was the he was dropping far too deep (causing Scholes to drop even deeper) and because everything went through him we never played it upto Macheda who was always on the shoulder of the last man. A few minor positives though, Vidic was brilliant and even played a few lovely passes to begin attacking moves and although he should have scored I though Valancia was excellent considering he was having to cover for both fullbacks lack of pace at times.

It really should be Chelsea's title now, it will take some monumentally poor performances for them to throw it away.

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I think realistically it over for us now, i think Chelsea and Arsenal may well drop some points, but not enough, and the way we are going at the moment we are going lose the City next week I feel.

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Well, when you say that every week from August to May you are bound to be right occasionally. :)

:D

I don't though really. I think that's the first time this season I've made a prediction and I was right on both counts. I think we've had a lucky season to be honest and the whole squad needs a shake up next season. Can't see it happening though.

Why are you so happy anyway? Who cares what Liverpool do?

I'm not happy about it. I was just making sure people understood it was a joke!

And yeah, I agree. We will lose to City next week. Let's see how this prediction holds up.

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I think realistically it over for us now, i think Chelsea and Arsenal may well drop some points, but not enough, and the way we are going at the moment we are going lose the City next week I feel.

Certainly, if Rooney isn't fit. City had some major defensive troubles earlier in the season, but their attack is obviously letting them off the hook. We will have a tough job at both ends, really.

I can't say we deserve the title, really. If we win it, it will be because Chelsea fuck up massively, rather than due to our own achievements.

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Berbatov passes the ball to the wingers nicely and keeps posession well, but as soon as he has to make a run into space or shoot he becomes Spasmatrov, the ever-missing. It's like the goal is made of kryptonite. The closer he gets the more appaling he becomes. No wonder he hangs back, poor sod.

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Berbatov needs a target man to pay with, simple.

Spending £30m on Berbatov and then almost immediately deciding that, actually, he doesn't really like 4-4-2 any more probably doesn't rank up there with Ferguson's best decisions.

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Spending £30m on Berbatov and then almost immediately deciding that, actually, he doesn't really like 4-4-2 any more probably doesn't rank up there with Ferguson's best decisions.

I agree completely, I highly rate Berbatov but he just doesn't fit in the system Ferguson uses for the big games so it begs the question of why he bought him.

This summer will be interesting as United really need to spend what's left of the Ronaldo money and then some as 4-5 top quality players are needed imo. The manager and the club say the money is there so lets see them splash the cash as United are in danger of being left behind, especially as it looks like City will get 4th which means they have the money and now the players will come as well. Chelsea will reinvest by the looks of it and if Arsenal can get a few more players in they will be a force to be reckoned with, especially if van Persie can stay fit for most of a season

We've actually done better this season than I thought we would, I never expected to be in the running for the league with 8-9 games to go. Part of that is due to Rooneys emergence as true world class forward rather than someone with the potential to be one, partly down to Liverpool's regression and Chelsea seemingly trying to do their best to throw the league away which they almost managed to do.

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Spending £30m on Berbatov and then almost immediately deciding that, actually, he doesn't really like 4-4-2 any more probably doesn't rank up there with Ferguson's best decisions.

Yeah, not the best. I guess he thought he may give them an extra tactical option. But then at that point we had Ronaldo and Tevez too. - although after all we know about those two's exit deals he must have known that one if not both would leave, which leaves a season to think on it and build a new strike force. He says he went for Benzema, but ending up with Owen could never have been his ideal choice.

I'm surprised Kiko didn't have more impact actually, I though he would bring the best out of Berbatov, but he was very quiet, and once subbed off Berbatov did his usual drifting off trick with nobody in front if him, as happened against Chelsea.

This squad needs signifficant investment, unfortunately it won't get it.

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We've actually done better this season than I thought we would, I never expected to be in the running for the league with 8-9 games to go. Part of that is due to Rooneys emergence as true world class forward rather than someone with the potential to be one, partly down to Liverpool's regression and Chelsea seemingly trying to do their best to throw the league away which they almost managed to do.

Yeah, Rooney's brilliance has completly masked a pretty average squad, a mixture of Old players past their peak, young players who could be good, dissapointing players not living up to their potential and Big John O'Shea.

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Yeah, not the best. I guess he thought he may give them an extra tactical option. But then at that point we had Ronaldo and Tevez too. - although after all we know about those two's exit deals he must have known that one if not both would leave, which leaves a season to think on it and build a new strike force. He says he went for Benzema, but ending up with Owen could never have been his ideal choice.

I'm surprised Kiko didn't have more impact actually, I though he would bring the best out of Berbatov, but he was very quiet, and once subbed off Berbatov did his usual drifting off trick with nobody in front if him, as happened against Chelsea.

This squad needs signifficant investment, unfortunately it won't get it.

Benzema might even be available again in the summer, seeing as everyone at Madrid seems to hate him. But can United afford him? I guess if players like Higuain and Benzema do end up moving and United don't go in for them, that would pretty much confirm that the money simply isn't there.

Berbatov was surely always an odd choice for United. At the time, people remarked that both him and Rooney had the same tendency to drop deep, and that he wasn't a like-for-like replacement for Saha as an attacking focal point. Since then, Rooney has improved immeasurably in the lone striker role, but he hasn't yet had much opportunity to try and adapt around Berbatov in order to try and replicate his successful partnership with Keane, or indeed Rooney's with Saha.

Rooney is obviously an intelligent, hard working and versatile footballer, and I think that, given time, he could have made a partnership with Berbatov work. Ferguson seemingly either doesn't think it could ever work, or isn't willing to invest the time needed to get things to click. That would be fine if he hadn't spent such a huge sum on Berbatov when he surely must have known a) what sort of player he is, and B) that his options in attack were about to imminently dwindle.

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Benzema might even be available again in the summer, seeing as everyone at Madrid seems to hate him. But can United afford him? I guess if players like Higuain and Benzema do end up moving and United don't go in for them, that would pretty much confirm that the money simply isn't there.

Berbatov was surely always an odd choice for United. At the time, people remarked that both him and Rooney had the same tendency to drop deep, and that he wasn't a like-for-like replacement for Saha as an attacking focal point. Since then, Rooney has improved immeasurably in the lone striker role, but he hasn't yet had much opportunity to try and adapt around Berbatov in order to try and replicate his successful partnership with Keane, or indeed Rooney's with Saha.

Rooney is obviously an intelligent, hard working and versatile footballer, and I think that, given time, he could have made a partnership with Berbatov work. Ferguson seemingly either doesn't think it could ever work, or isn't willing to invest the time needed to get things to click. That would be fine if he hadn't spent such a huge sum on Berbatov when he surely must have known a) what sort of player he is, and B) that his options in attack were about to imminently dwindle.

Berbatov was an unusual signing, we should have backed off the moment Man City drove the price up so ridiculously high. Something in the region £15-20 million would have been good value for a player with proven PL experience, but he is by no means a £30 million striker.

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Berbatov was an unusual signing, we should have backed off the moment Man City drove the price up so ridiculously high. Something in the region £15-20 million would have been good value for a player with proven PL experience, but he is by no means a £30 million striker.

I don't know about that. If Fergie actually allowed him to create a partnership with Rooney I think he could be immense. He has been a bit part player this year but still is the 6th most prolific striker in the Premiership. Tevez had a similar time on the pitch last year as Berbatov has this year and he had a much worse mins/goal ratio than Berbatov now. Bottom line is, if players don't get consistent games they're not going to perform. (Look at Forlan too.)

While I am Berbatov's biggest fan, I don't believe we are going to get the best out of him unless Fergie starts to partner him with Rooney consistently in a 4-4-2. I don't think that is going to happen unfortunately and we'll see Berbatov leave at the end of next season.

On another note, there is no chance in hell we will sign any new strikers in the summer. We have signed Diouf and Chicharito. Add them to Rooney, Berbatov, Owen, Kiko and Welbeck and Fergie will see a bulging attack department. We could do without Owen and Welbeck, in my opinion, and Diouf hasn't shown anything really. (Only a couple of matches though.) Also, if Cleverly gets fit for next season I can see Fergie looking at him as the "new hope". Again thats based more on potential than anything else. I can't see Fergie signing anyone, before next season, that will be a proven player and not a hot prospect.

I hope I'm wrong but I think Fergie will try to fill the crater like holes in the team with peas that he hopes will expand to fill them. Thats what I see Smalling, Cleverly and Chicharito as.

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Yeah, Rooney's brilliance has completly masked a pretty average squad, a mixture of Old players past their peak, young players who could be good, dissapointing players not living up to their potential and Big John O'Shea.

I really can’t agree with that. Despite a defence ravaged by injury and a midfield that has struggled in that area as well we still have the best defensive record in the league. You simply can’t do that with an ‘average’ squad. As long as Rafael can curb some of his over enthusiasm in the tackle I would be more than happy with him being our first choice RB.

In midfield Fletcher has had another excellent season and Valencia has probably been the second best winger in the league behind Malouda (Lennon might be up there if it wasn’t for injury). Even Nani has come on leaps and bounds since xmas.

The only signing I think we are absolutely desperate for is a defensive CM. Outside of that an attacking CM is probably needed when we play 4-3-3 and then maybe a left footed winger. Striker is obviously an issue but I can’t see anyone coming in unless Berbatov leaves.

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