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Shit game. Villa shut up shop for the second half and we just didn't have the creative ability to take their defence apart. It's even more frustrating seeing how unenthusiastic most of the team were after Chelsea only managing a draw earlier.

What a waste.

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Give Villa their due, they deserved what they got. We had more than enough opportunities to pull it back and they defended like we should have in the first half when we conceeded.

Saying that, the game wasn't quite as good to watch in the 2nd half, and yeah massive disappointment at not taking the chance to pull some points back on Chelsea.

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Shit game. Villa shut up shop for the second half and we just didn't have the creative ability to take their defence apart. It's even more frustrating seeing how unenthusiastic most of the team were after Chelsea only managing a draw earlier.

What a waste.

You just had a taste of what it is like to be a Liverpool fan of late ;)

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Constantly losing, don't think mate.

Still in the Champions League, in a great position for the Premiership, and looking good for the FA & Carling cups :D

That's why I said a taste of ;)

Struggling to break teams down, unable to take advantage of all around you dropping points.

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Struggling to break teams down, unable to take advantage of all around you dropping points.

To be fair though, Villa are a good team, they've proved that the last few years, we missed a lot of chances today but its hardly disgrace to loose narrowly to them. The team have done very well the last few weeks with masses of injuries (ironically we do badly at home when Vidic, Brown, Rooney and Berbatov return :P).

I agree, that when you put it like that it seems similar, but overall Liverpool's problems are very different to United's.

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http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index....opic=250578.160

It was every inch as bitter and enjoyable as I hoped it would be. ^_^

Giggs, what a load of shit.

If anyone deserved that award, it was Jessica Ennis. She broke her ankle and missed the Olympics last year, and had the mental strength to come back and win the World title.

And she's fit as fuck as well.

Hear hear.

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I loved his Dad's (?) handlebar-mustache. :D

Interestingly, I recently found out that Giggs' actual Dad is mixed-race, making Giggs mixed-race too. According to wikipedia: "Ryan Joseph Wilson was born at St David's Hospital in Canton, Cardiff, Wales, to Danny Wilson, a rugby union player for Cardiff RFC, and Lynne Giggs (now Lynne Johnson)...Giggs is mixed race — his paternal grandfather is from Sierra Leone — and has spoken of the racism he faced as a child."

I was quite amazed when I found this out - initially I read about it in an article in the Sunday Times, which had the picture below (showing a young Giggs with this father) - I can definitely see the resemblance.

Though I'm not sure why the elderly man Giggs was sitting next to was, would be interesting to find that out...

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Ah, some of those comments on RAWK are brilliant. Fair play, I was as surprised as everyone else when Giggs won it; if we're talking about this year alone, it is difficult to see how he beat the likes of Button, Haye, Ennis, etc. - who've all had a great year. Though Giggs has continued to surprise everyone - for example, being one of United best players this year - a lifetime achievement award would probably have been more appropriate (though wouldn't take it away from Seve Ballesteros by any means).

But seeing all this hate thrown at Giggs for getting the award, Liverpool fans should probably worry more about their current abysmal form.

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Fair play, I was as surprised as everyone else when Giggs won it; if we're talking about this year alone, it is difficult to see how he beat the likes of Button, Haye, Ennis, etc. - who've all had a great year.

Giggs was voted the PFA of the year by his peers last season, in a year where the club played every game possible bar one. Won the league and League Cup, the final of the Champions League and the semis of the FA, plus that foreign thing nobody cares much about. He's just made a record for Premiership goals for his club, another for the player to score in every Premiership season and recently making a record for appearances.

Shit year :)

The whole thing is flawed though. Why is it better to be a World Champion in motor racing than say boxing? They're entirely different. Personally I don't see what Button did as special- sure it was a rags to riches story, but didn't he not win a race for something like the last half of the season? I thought his win came on the back of early season form when his team took full advantage of new rules, but when the other teams improved their car it levelled out and, whilst not scraping it, he was hardly imperious. I personally think it was more a Ross Brawn victory than a Button one.

Shit game. Villa shut up shop for the second half and we just didn't have the creative ability to take their defence apart. It's even more frustrating seeing how unenthusiastic most of the team were after Chelsea only managing a draw earlier.

What a waste.

See I thought we had them penned in their box for pretty much the second half and created more than enough chances to score. It was the finishing which was the problem, that and the occasional good save and clearance off the line.

Whilst the manager was right about the time added on being wrong (6 subs equates to 3 minutes alone, never mind the time Young was down groggy when he fouled Park, etc etc etc) it was immaterial as we could have played until Tuesday and probably not scored, though it wasn't for the want of trying.

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Giggs was voted the PFA of the year by his peers last season, in a year where the club played every game possible bar one. Won the league and League Cup, the final of the Champions League and the semis of the FA, plus that foreign thing nobody cares much about. He's just made a record for Premiership goals for his club, another for the player to score in every Premiership season and recently making a record for appearances.

Shit year :)

The whole thing is flawed though. Why is it better to be a World Champion in motor racing than say boxing? They're entirely different. Personally I don't see what Button did as special- sure it was a rags to riches story, but didn't he not win a race for something like the last half of the season? I thought his win came on the back of early season form when his team took full advantage of new rules, but when the other teams improved their car it levelled out and, whilst not scraping it, he was hardly imperious. I personally think it was more a Ross Brawn victory than a Button one.

Absolutely - I think people forget just what he has achieved. And yes, he may not play every minute of every game, but he's certainly a heavily-involved member of the squad at the age of 36, and a great example to everyone. I also agree with you on the Button issue; not to take away any credit from him, but I do believe his car, particularly at the start of the season when everyone else struggled, was a major advantage.

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The problem with footballers re. SPOTY is that it includes two half seasons, not a whole season, and that's why there's resentment at Giggs winning. People have short memories and see us not doing that great this season and are going off that.

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The problem with footballers re. SPOTY is that it includes two half seasons, not a whole season, and that's why there's resentment at Giggs winning. People have short memories and see us not doing that great this season and are going off that.

That's an interesting thing to say regarding perceived form.

I agree, at times we've looked excellent but largely it's been OK to downright awful in two games. The thing is if we ignore Saturday, or if you'd posted about Giggs on Saturday morning, last season was pretty much the same as this.

Last year we lost at Arsenal and went 5 points behind. This year we unfairly, unluckily or just plain whatever lost to Chelsea and went 5 points behind. It was the exact same timing, right down to days. Personally I don't think we played that well offensively last year.

Yet last year we played in every single game bar one. Just think about what that actually means. I don't necessarily mean you CKNY, just in general.

It's all ifs, buts and maybe but what IF we'd scored in the opening minute against Barca? What IF we'd have had the nailed on penalty against Everton we deserved? I mean it works both ways, what IF Macheda hadn't of scored. But, yeah, last season didn't go too bad and in honesty I don't see this year as much different really.

I mean whose doing better this year? Sure Chelsea are three points clear, but if we play like we can we might bury Wolves and go top Tuesday, albeit it for 24 hours. But aren't Chelsea looking incredibly shaky all of a sudden too? Arse were totally wrote off two weeks back, if they win their game in hand? It's gonna be a weird season and one where a relatively low points total is going to win the thing.

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Yet last year we played in every single game bar one. Just think about what that actually means. I don't necessarily mean you CKNY, just in general.

That actually made me think "wow" first time you said it. It was an amazing season, but how quickly has it been forgotten? It ended on two massive low notes, losing the Champions League final and selling Ronaldo and we haven't recovered that feel good factor, for me anyway.

We're playing pretty pedestrian football and getting beaten too often. Fucking CSKA Moscow beat us at Old Trafford and no-one blinked an eyelid.

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We're playing pretty pedestrian football and getting beaten too often. Fucking CSKA Moscow beat us at Old Trafford and no-one blinked an eyelid.

I've done it to death and you're all sick of hearing it (well, sick of me probably :D ), but it's a truly irrelevant, pointless competition pre-Xmas that's so heavily weighted in the big teams favor that it's practically fixed. Sure it's been funny laughing at Liverpool, but what has having the likes of Debrecen, Macaibi Haifia and APOEL actually achieved? They'll have a little more experience and money, but all that money will do is mean they'll have an unfair advantage in their league so qualify again next year and again get next to no points. They'll never progress in Europe (bar an oil sheik) because of the way it's seeded and are just there to make up the numbers. Which all means somebody big won't get knocked out before they've played at least 8 matches, got a shit load of money and increased an already unfair advantage over their other domestic rivals.

We had some Spurs fans in here arguing that we didn't beat a full strength team in the Cup the other week. Defensively maybe they weren't, but then again their first choice consists of King and Woodgate who are more fucked that Hargreaves, so maybe the likes of Dawson are first choice in reality. Last year we were beaten by Everton in the Cup, but our kids were far, far superior to their first team in that game. They're two strong, strong teams just outside the top 4... I think what I'm trying to say is those teams do fairly well in Europe before getting beaten by Champions League knockouts usually, yet we can turn them over.

No one batted an eyelid because it was a total dead rubber of a game that meant absolutely nothing. I much prefer the League Cup, especially away games, to the Champions League before Xmas. People talk about the home record, but really, so what? We got beat by Milan at home, yet the stat was tweaked so it read differently and sound better. Personally the amount of games not beaten away is much, much more significant. It wasn't so long ago that we couldn't win away anywhere in Europe.

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