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Trigg

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I rather he went aboard to be honest!

I dunno, I just disappointed with him for all the talk about how he loves the fans and what not only to (allegedly) leave to the city rivals. I had a feeling he didn't want to stay with us and I think he used the fans in a way.

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Whats most annoying about this entire saga is that the whole thing has been totally avoidable throughout.

We all know Fergie has been after Benzema for a while, and I guess he was told to choose.

I won't resent Tevez going to City, I just wish it hadn't come to this, it could have been such a non-issue. I love that little guy. :D

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I think Young is a decent player but I do think he's a little bit over rated if I'm honest. I would prefer to have Valencia which would mean Ronaldo would play on the left where I think he's just as dangerous.

Also, reports on talkSport are saying that Tevez as all but signed for Man City. Disappointing if true, more so on the choice of club than anything else.

Young is a quality player already, and has the potential to be World Class, His performances seemed to drop toward the end of the season, but most of Villas players did, probably due to O'Neill's complete lack of rotation. I fear for him staying under O'Neill, I don't think he's very good at developing players.

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Young is a quality player already, and has the potential to be World Class, His performances seemed to drop toward the end of the season, but most of Villas players did, probably due to O'Neill's complete lack of rotation. I fear for him staying under O'Neill, I don't think he's very good at developing players.

Yeah, i've watched him alot and always thought he would be ideal for us even when he was a Watford.

Never seen us linked with him though unfortunately.

Either way he needs a step up I feel, as good as Villa were for most of the season, he should realy be moving into a regular England role by now.

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Yeah, it is a bit of problem. Article doesn't say if there's a transfer fee involved, or are players allowed to sign professional contracts in Brazil at 17?

Then again, Messi's literally only a pro today because Barca were able to pay for his horomone therapy...

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FATEone

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I think he's right really. It's a big problem all over the place, and it is largely down to greedy agents.

How is he right?

What he's affectively saying is make it a rule that somebody cannot leave their country to work in another. Football has rescued countless youngsters from a life of poverty and crime, especially in countries like Brazil. I agree that agents are greedy, and maybe there should be rules put in place to combat them.

To stop a 17, or even 14 or 15 year old, from going to learn football at one of the worlds better clubs, as well as enjoying a better quality of education they might have in their home country, would be wrong. Where are we, Cuba?

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It isn't sudden. It's been talked about for years. Kids from around the world getting signed up by rich clubs in Europe so that they can carry on being rich and help stop smaller ones from catching up. Also FATEone, you seem to think Brazil is a third world country or something, but if a kid there comes out of a favela or whatever to play for one of their league clubs do you really not think he'd be getting a better place to live and an education there too? Patronising much? Used to be, if a team discovered a local talent and nurtured it, they'd at least get to have the player play for them before cashing on on a big sale when they've learned the ropes. Now they're often just taken away for nothing.

It's much more of a problem in Africa where it gets really bad.

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2008/10/04/afr...reener-pitches/

http://soccerlens.com/african-football-dre...l-slavery/8218/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/ja...ewsstory.sport4

Of course, now the likes of United are also poaching them from Italy (Macheda most recently of course but he's hardly the first) and Brazil where the laws on youth contracts make it possible, people like FIFA are finally waking up to the problem a bit more.

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There isn’t an issue with teams buying quality foreign youngsters, it is when entire leagues hoover up any remotely promising foreign talent and end up leaving them disillusioned and on the scrap heap when they don’t make it (France > Africa, Italy > Brazil). I’d argue that United are a pretty bad example of a club that does this when you look at how well the likes of Pique and Rossi have done when they move on. Also the Macheda situation is an ideal example of why players should be able to move (abroad or otherwise).

I do think there should be a consistent (worldwide) rule on what age players should be able to sign professional contracts which should slightly restrict the financial advantage of teams trying to get players from Europe (Pique and Fabregas for example) although will unlikely have any effect in South America.

United have recently signed a ‘Development Deal’ with a Brazilian club and a 3rd party for rather obvious means. Although it’s not uncommon as we have agreements like this with other clubs the 3rd party bit does show how much influence they have over Brazilian football. I think Tim Vickery’s last blog on the BBC had a few interesting points about 3rd party ownership.

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I saw a sign outside the newsagent this morning for the Manchester Evening News with the headline 'Tevez Agrees United Deal.'

I've had a look around but can't seem to find anything on it. Anyone got any more info?

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bowser123

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The giddy bastard Bailey wrote this in the Evening News.

Although it's all about him joining Ciddy, it does say:

Tevez, meanwhile, will be part of the Argentina squad that faces Ecuador in a World Cup qualifier in Quito on Wednesday afternoon and is likely to announce his intentions immediately afterwards.

United are also waiting in the wings to discover his decision. Last week, it is understood, the Reds agreed with the Argentine's owners to pay the £25.5m fee to make permanent the Old Trafford move agreed two years ago when Tevez switched from West Ham on loan.

But it is believed they want to spread the cost over the length of any new contract if he decides to stay. That leaves the deal at the mercy of the Blues who have the financial muscle to satisfy both Tevez's owners and double his wages.

I think it's bullshit personally and a damn shame a once fine paper now acts this way.

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As an extreme example, Messi would not have had treatment for his growth hormone deficiency had he stayed in Argentina. Barca paid his medical bills, and presumably bankrolled a cushy new life for him and his family in Spain. Frankly, I think the best players will always want to go to the best clubs, the best leagues, why should anyone stop that?

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FATEone

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It isn't sudden. It's been talked about for years. Kids from around the world getting signed up by rich clubs in Europe so that they can carry on being rich and help stop smaller ones from catching up. Also FATEone, you seem to think Brazil is a third world country or something, but if a kid there comes out of a favela or whatever to play for one of their league clubs do you really not think he'd be getting a better place to live and an education there too?

In some places it is like a third world country, and being a footballer doesn't protect you from the gangs, in fact it only makes you more of a target. It's besides the point anyway. The point is no one has the right to say where you can or can't play football as in any other walk of life.

You might as well say no one can travel to go to uni then, so that local unis can catch up and raise their offsted standings or whatever. These clubs have the best academies in the world, these youngsters want to train at them, end of.

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United have recently signed a ‘Development Deal’ with a Brazilian club and a 3rd party for rather obvious means. Although it’s not uncommon as we have agreements like this with other clubs the 3rd party bit does show how much influence they have over Brazilian football. I think Tim Vickery’s last blog on the BBC had a few interesting points about 3rd party ownership.

That's what needs addressing. This 3rd party ownership shit is what's criminal, and that definately needs to be eradicated.

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I would generally agree but in the Tim Vickery blog (I think it was) he mentions that teams can cash in on players while still having them in the team and retain part of the transfer fee when they move on. He used an example of a player owned by team X, half purchased by a 3rd party who they then moved onto team Y to raise his profile. When the player is sold team X will still get some of the transfer fee (presumably more because of the players higher profile) while team Y gets nothing.

Sounds confusing but just banning 3rd party ownership isn't going to achieve anything. If clubs are so desperate for cash they have to sell players then in many ways it is better they stay at the club and get money from a 3rd party rather than getting lost in the European game (see my previous post). Ideally it would be clubs themselves operating these deals, and United's is a move towards that but unfortunately you can't do this for every single club in South America (or even just Brazil).

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It's best to get this out of the way and then spend the money on Benzema and Ribery. Valencia will now be coming too, no doubt.

If Bayern Munich do let Ribery go then Real Madrid will certainly be up for that signature as well.

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