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You mean like Manchester City?

City, Utd, Chelsea. Take your pick. But when a club spends £30million pounds on a single person and then charges £75 for pleasure of watching said person kick a ball for an hour and a half something's going wrong. The phrase more money than sense comes to mind. That's actually my lot now. You can rip me all you want!

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City, Utd, Chelsea. Take your pick. But when a club spends £30million pounds on a single person and then charges £75 for pleasure of watching said person kick a ball for an hour and a half something's going wrong. The phrase more money than sense comes to mind. That's actually my lot now. You can rip me all you want!

go away bitter, its all over now...

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I was resisting it Gambit, but well said sir.

I was actually joking. Hence the second line and my epic failure at being funny. :o

I couldn't give a fuck really. I'm just happy Stoke are safe and we ended our home matches with a good 2-0 victory over Wigan.

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City, Utd, Chelsea. Take your pick. But when a club spends £30million pounds on a single person and then charges £75 for pleasure of watching said person kick a ball for an hour and a half something's going wrong. The phrase more money than sense comes to mind. That's actually my lot now. You can rip me all you want!

You missed my point entirely. City have far more funds available, yet they're fucking shit. Granted, in about 3 years time they'll be a real challenge, but it's not all about the money.

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City, Utd, Chelsea. Take your pick. But when a club spends £30million pounds on a single person and then charges £75 for pleasure of watching said person kick a ball for an hour and a half something's going wrong. The phrase more money than sense comes to mind. That's actually my lot now. You can rip me all you want!

If it cost that much, you'd have a point. As it is, you're a cunt. Get to fuck.

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I was actually joking. Hence the second line and my epic failure at being funny. ;)

I couldn't give a fuck really. I'm just happy Stoke are safe and we ended our home matches with a good 2-0 victory over Wigan.

Fuck that, not only are we safe, we're mid table! :o Shocking really, but pretty amazing. Really expected it to go down to the last game at one point, which would have been terrible seeing as we're at Arsenal.

Still, you Mancs should be thanking us for drawing with Liverpool. Twice!

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Why? People can be attracted to a type of football that a team play. It's pretty lame that people think you have to be constrained to where the city is situated to support the team. It's a totally archaic attitude considering the global reach of the premier league.

The global reach of the Prem has little relation to people in this country. In a global sense, someone from Singapore supporting Man United is more understandable for me as they might not have a local team. Or, they do, but have picked a team to follow when they watch the Prem, just like I would 'pick' a team to support if I was an avid viewer of a foreign league. Someone living in Surrey who supports Man United and has no connection to the place in any way is something I find strange.

For me, and millions of others, football is not just about the type of football teams play - it is, and probably always will be, a tribal game. Coming into contact with the people around you on a daily basis, sharing the banter with rival fans is something a fan in Singapore isn't really exposed to. It's a different 'type' of support - more of a following - so there's probably a distinction. If I 'supported' Arsenal, living nowhere near London, I wouldn't have any of that banter the day after beating Chelsea, for example.

By your rationale, they'd be nothing wrong with me switching teams and supporting someone different, because I prefer their style of football. But that would be a crazy notion to most football fans.

That's my view and I'm sticking to it.

Sorry for the derail, Man United fans, I'll depart - enjoy your win.

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If nobody ever moved form where they were born and we had no media coverage I would be inclined to agree with you but both of those things have a massive effect on the fan base. Of course you'll get glory hunters too but did this not happen with Liverpool in the 70's/80's too?

I started supporting United after a couple of seasons on some ancient football manager game before I ever followed actual football. I'm sure there are loads of people who support a team for equally trivial reasons.

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It's fine for people with decent football on their doorstep saying you should only support your local team.

I live in a small town in N. Ireland and I'll be fucked if I'm paying good money and standing in shitty grounds watching something that amounts to little more than pub football just because they are local. Fuck that shit, not to mention half the teams around here are as much about religion as anything else. If I have to switch to the premier league to be entertained then I will and I'll be damned if I feel guilty about it.

If a championship level team or similar played nearby I'd be a season ticket holder no question but not the absolute crap that passes for football where I live. I feel no loyalty or need to give the clubs my money just because they are local. My father started supporting UTD when George best played and it's just been in the family ever since. I was 14 when my older brother took me a cross to Old Trafford for the first time and it's something I'll always remember. :(

Like I said it's fine to preach about loyalty when your team plays football that is worth watching. Around here? I wouldn't give a monkey's fuck if the teams went bust tomorrow.

Should teams only field local born players as well then? I mean it's tribal ain't it? Plus if you think there is no Liverpool - Man Utd banter in ireland you are really, really wrong. Both teams get massive turn outs in pubs over here.

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Plus if you think there is no Liverpool - Man Utd banter in ireland you are really, really wrong. Both teams get massive turn outs in pubs over here.

Whereas a Liverpool fan growing up in Liverpool would probably have very little banter with Man Utd fans.

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If nobody ever moved form where they were born and we had no media coverage I would be inclined to agree with you but both of those things have a massive effect on the fan base. Of course you'll get glory hunters too but did this not happen with Liverpool in the 70's/80's too?

I started supporting United after a couple of seasons on some ancient football manager game before I ever followed actual football. I'm sure there are loads of people who support a team for equally trivial reasons.

I'm not denying that the same thing has happened with L'pool supporters during the 70's/80's - indeed, I wasn't even having a go at United, although I used them as an example and I recognise that I'm in a United thread! I could've easily have said 'Someone living in Surrey who supports Liverpool...' and probably should've done to remove any suspicion! :(

I already mentioned and agreed about people moving about, but I think media coverage mainly applies (or should do) to overseas markets. Mallet - you're not an example of someone I'm talking about.

I'm not having a go or thinking they're less of a fan or something stupid like that - I'm met many fans with no connection to where a club's from be more passionate than most local fans.

I won't reply again in here about this - I'll go to General Football. Sorry for the OT.

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We've just won the fucking league.

It's 18-18, or 11-0 if you prefer.

Let's shut up pandering to these cunts and enjoy it eh.

It's 18-18, football didn't start in 1992 despite what sky try and tell you.

Looking forward to next season now with the mighty Birmingham city battling for premiership glory alongside Liverpool and Man Utd.

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The global reach of the Prem has little relation to people in this country. In a global sense, someone from Singapore supporting Man United is more understandable for me as they might not have a local team. Or, they do, but have picked a team to follow when they watch the Prem, just like I would 'pick' a team to support if I was an avid viewer of a foreign league. Someone living in Surrey who supports Man United and has no connection to the place in any way is something I find strange.

For me, and millions of others, football is not just about the type of football teams play - it is, and probably always will be, a tribal game. Coming into contact with the people around you on a daily basis, sharing the banter with rival fans is something a fan in Singapore isn't really exposed to. It's a different 'type' of support - more of a following - so there's probably a distinction. If I 'supported' Arsenal, living nowhere near London, I wouldn't have any of that banter the day after beating Chelsea, for example.

By your rationale, they'd be nothing wrong with me switching teams and supporting someone different, because I prefer their style of football. But that would be a crazy notion to most football fans.

That's my view and I'm sticking to it.

Sorry for the derail, Man United fans, I'll depart - enjoy your win.

No you can't rationalise like that about supporting a team. I'm from Surrey and I've got loads of mates that support United, and they've all been doing so since they were 5 years old. Are you going to tell a 5 year old who's just had their mind blown watching Cantona and Giggs on TV that they're not allowed to support these players because of geography or they don't understand the history of the club and the city? Of course not. So you are then asking them to support a more 'local' team like Chelsea as soon as they're old enough to realise the error of their ways. Of course not, because following a team doesn't work like that. You fall in love with a club when you're a kid and - fuck everything else - from there on in they're yours for life and always will be. It's easy to be snobbish about fans that aren't local to their club. But snobbery is all it is, don't assume your love for your club is any more profound than anyone elses.

Still, you're right that switching teams based on style of play is absolute bullshit. Like I say, you support a club when you're younger, and you love them through all the bad times and the good in some absurd tribal way. And that's the beauty of it - whatever happens to the game financially your love and support for the club can never be distilled to that of some disinterested consumer who picks which team to watch that week as if choosing a film at the cinema. Or at least, unless you became obsessed as kid in that way I don't think you can. Otherwise, it is a bit different and like my mate at uni from Sheffield who started following football two years ago and follows Arsenal (somehow I never did manage to sway him over to QPR), I guess you just support whoever you like the look of.

Anyway, congrats on the title and all that. Here's a Youtube link to the celebrations I found when I typed in 'Fuck Chelsea': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSD7K32AVJc

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I said that I found it 'strange' (having not come to support a team in that fashion) - I did stipulate that I didn't think there was anything wrong with it or that I thought it made people any 'less' of a fan. I really don't believe that and in no way am I trying to be snobbish (wish people would stop throwing that at me when I've gone out of my way to point out otherwise during the course of this).

You've got loads of mates in Surrey who grew up supporting Man United, I haven't and never really experienced what you're talking about (probably easier for me to say, as most people around me growing up supported L'pool or Everton, which would've been an easier choice than someone from Surrey choosing to support Man United, when Chelsea wouldn't have been doing that well), hence finding it strange.

If anyone else wants to pick this up, please take it to the General Football thread.

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I 'grew up' a Man Utd fan, despite being from Northampton. My family weren't into football, and my only way of seeing it was through watching Match of the Day. I had no exposure to Northampton Town or 'local' football when I was that young - it barely registered for me, because we didn't hear about it and my Dad wasn't into football so he didn't take me. I adpoted Man Utd as a team because at a young age two of my best friends 'supported' them, and it was 'uncool' not to have a team that you supported. If anything, I grew up proud to support Utd because it went against the general grain of kids supporting Liverpool, who were more succesful at the time.

I could never claim to be a proper fan. More of a follower, I'd say. If I'm going to spend money on football, then I do actually try to watch the Cobblers when I can, and I was actually a season ticket holder for a couple of years. So yeah, I'm a Cobblers fan that also supports Man Utd in the context of who to 'cheer for' when Premier League footy is concerned. I subscribed to Man Utd TV when I had Sky, and I watch the full 90 min replays of all the games for a couple of seasons. I'd count myself as someone that's quite knowledgable about Man Utd (not so much these days without having Sky or Man Utd TV).

Anwyay, I'm not sure what my point is other than to say that I don't know why people find it so 'strange' that footy fans can take a liking for a team when there's no direct family or location link. Sometimes all it takes is for something to peak their interest at a young age and then the affiliation grows naturally to the extent they're really enthusiastic for a team.

I have a friend that supports Newcastle. You know why? Cause he used to be a Wildhearts fan, and they're from Newcastle. Thing is, his spark of initial interest has led to him spending hundreds of pounds a year watching them play, all round the country. All it took was a very small interest in the team to grow into a massive love for them.

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