The old Man Utd Thread

[V3zna]

The whole reveling in death thing really is horrid, goes way beyond rivalry to just outright cuntishness. City showed they could rise above it, even if it was only for one game... I just wish some of our fans could

Well said and 100% right.

[paddyo]

[Reynard]

Good post, bowser.

Just a point regarding our hope and belief (as a disclaimer!): the majority of fans I know still think it's yours to lose, so if you do go on to win it, it won't be some heart-ripped-out moment. I think most of it will be frustration with ourselves, as we didn't pull away when we had the chance.

I think it's great that we're competing at the top of the league - it's the way it should be.

[Reynard]

Theyre all things that have happened... why forget?

Sure most if not all utd fans on here hate liverpool, so why? I am sure because of at least one of the reasons i posted...

I have never sung hillsborough, i never will, i think its wrong, but am i wrong to hate scousers when i grew up with them revelling in munich?

I originally thought that you were a decent poster.

You're one of those fans that perpetuate the ugly side of our rivalry.

[bowser123]

I have never sung hillsborough, i never will, i think its wrong, but am i wrong to hate scousers when i grew up with them revelling in munich?

You forgot about Shipman songs, mawkishness, chicken foetus and trashing the toilets then if you want to go down this line... seriously though, you don't think that a shit load of the points in there are at best hypocritical and at worst disgusting? That by perpetuating the whole they say nasty things so we should too is OK?

Can you not take anything from my other post that's positive and would hurt their lot more, only rather than using death as a weapon we're using football?

[paddyo]

[bowser123]

I want to punch smack head Fowlers horrible little face in.

I wasn't arsed in the slightest by their treble. They weren't Champions of England, they weren't Champions of Europe. It just show how far they fell and how much our 99 success hurt that some even tried to compare the two events.

I was born and live in Manchester, and had a blue boss who liked to use the phrase Munichs on a regular basis. I've been to games and heard the songs... how else would I know about 96WNE?

SHOCK HORROR!! FANS REVELLINMG IN DEATH

That though... you really don't get it, do you?

[paddyo]

[Reynard]

I think every one of the points on the list i posted are out of order, and for that reason i have a dislike of the fans of Liverpool football club that did these things and continue to do these things...

Of course i realise its not every scouser who is like this, I have many good friends who are fans of Liverpool and enjoy banter with them without the spectre of violence and vile chants etc ever raising its ugly head...

but there are scousers who love this, just as there are utd fans who love this and hull and millwall etc... ignore it if you want but its there, and when liverpool have the recent results they have had and utd have the ones they have had then these things come to my mind and make me angry...and not every point on that list should invoke a feeling of 'SHOCK HORROR!! FANS REVELLINMG IN DEATH', surely you hate fowler too and his five fingered gestures? surely you were annoyed at the time of the plastic treble? re-read it and i am sure any utd fan can identify with some of it, even if you have never had the misfortune to experience firsthand the darker side of the post... I have and i didnt like it and will always remember it, just being honest with you...

The point that we could produce a list at least as large as that about your club and its fans seems to be lost on you.

It's the same as our rivalry with Everton (not that the subject belongs in this thread) - it's turned very ugly in recent years and it's off the back of the sort of bile you posted.

[paddyo]

[fatbob]

The list is a bunch of reasons why many people (i did not make the list, was from another forum) hate liverpool fans... some of the points you may agree with, some you may not. You may agree with your boss referring to utd as munichs, you may not. But just because these things anger me and are reasons i hate SOME of the scouse fans (as above i say i DO KNOW its not everyone of them, i have friends etc) doesnt mean i dont understand and have sympathy for the dead etc and you are presuming a lot about me if you think that

Why did you post it?

If not to perpetuate the pettyness and indignity it promotes?

I'm embarrassed by this kind of thing.

Please don't let this kind of talk overtake the fact that this is a football thread, a game, for a team i'm proud of.

[Commander Jameson]

But thats what makes rivalries...

its not just the geographical position of clubs its things that the fans and the players etc do that make a rivalry...

Utd have lots of rivals and hate them for different reasons...

like you say you could come up with a list for hating utd... we all as fans know what these things are that make up the rivalries, dont tell me you dont have any feelings towards any other clubs?

Do you honestly not see the difference in posting something like that list on RedCafe or whatever equivalent list we could come up with on RAWK and posting it on here? Seriously?

[Reynard]

But thats what makes rivalries...

If most of that vile list is your idea of what makes a rivalry, you're beyond hope.

You're an embarrassment to decent United fans.

[bowser123]

doesnt mean i dont understand and have sympathy for the dead etc and you are presuming a lot about me if you think that

What I'm saying that you don't get is that by perpetuating it all you're not helping. You should be able to clearly see that list is incendiary , and more to the point, totally out of place.

It's just a mindset I don't understand... I'm being duplicitous here, I couldn't get that Candyman song out of my head for ages after the Liverpool game for example and used to find In Yer Slums funny... but why do we constantly sing Liverpool songs? I mean it was naughty and nasty the extreme abuse Terry took at OT this season, but it was exhilarating seeing his face after the tonking they took. But singing Viva John Terry at home to Blackburn?

I'd just much rather highlight what our team is doing is all, rather than what others did. It's small time to state KENNY DOGLEASH WANKER just because he was a fucking brilliant player and is now biased towards Scouse in the media. The other stuff... no place in football.

[paddyo]

[paddyo]

[Reynard]

What I'm saying that you don't get is that by perpetuating it all you're not helping. You should be able to clearly see that list is incendiary , and more to the point, totally out of place.

It's just a mindset I don't understand... I'm being duplicitous here, I couldn't get that Candyman song out of my head for ages after the Liverpool game for example and used to find In Yer Slums funny... but why do we constantly sing Liverpool songs? I mean it was naughty and nasty the extreme abuse Terry took at OT this season, but it was exhilarating seeing his face after the tonking they took. But singing Viva John Terry at home to Blackburn?

I'd just much rather highlight what our team is doing is all, rather than what others did. It's small time to state KENNY DOGLEASH WANKER just because he was a fucking brilliant player and is now biased towards Scouse in the media. The other stuff... no place in football.

*applauds*

If only you could print this post and hand it out at OT.

[paddyo]

[Reynard]

print it out along with this maybe?

stating an actual desire to cause physical harm to someone?

come on guys, stop the holier than thou and be honest... you dont all hate liverpool/leeds/city for purely footballing reasons?

Come off it.

Hell, I could see why a Man United fan would say that. I hate some of their players to that degree, but would I really punch a player if the opportunity presented itself? Of course not (although I am guilty of deliberately not holding a door open for Rio, which was quite petty in retrospect).

That kind of comment is at the sharp end of the rivalry; the limit of what's fair game, IMO. I don't like some of even the 'acceptable' stuff that bowser posted, but it was nothing horrible or nasty or vile.

[And]

nevermind

[paddyo]

[bowser123]

print it out along with this maybe?

stating an actual desire to cause physical harm to someone?

come on guys, stop the holier than thou and be honest... you dont all hate liverpool/leeds/city for purely footballing reasons?

Dennis Wise too, that horrible little scrunched up face, just seeing him makes me angry. I'd take an iron to that bastard.

But, in reality, if I were to meet either would I do it? You all know the answer to that.

See this is what I'm trying to get across. I've already stated I'm having my cake and eating it, moaning about our fans singing about Liverpool CONSTANTLY yet being guilty of humming Candyman to myself etc etc.

It's weird, I don't really see an issue singing The babies not yours at Gerrard (when he's on the field against us), nor do I really have an issue with Gary Neville shags his mam. What I did find outrageous was people singing that, yet unable to take him running to them and kissing his badge when we score in the last minute.

It's kinda hard for me to define what is acceptable and what isn't, song wise. Those songs I've spoke of are crude and pretty shit when truth be told, but at a game, it's kinda OK. It's football, it's what we do. In any other walk of life it'd be totally unacceptable, yet somehow it's alright in a stadium.

What I do dislike is you practically stating that if you don't see a problem with using Heysel and Hillsbrough as a weapon, basically reveling in death, then you don't understand rivalry or some shit. It's funny, we all laugh and point at those silly Scots with their Union Jacks, sectarianism and shit in Glasga, but what you're doing is just as bad. To me it's almost as if you're trying too hard to be a fan.

I really, really don't need a list of what Liverpool have previously done to grasp the horror of this season going tits up, or appreciate what happened two weeks ago. But the shit I'm trying to tell you about is about football; be happy at the thought of taking their claim to be England's most successful domestic side away; be happy that there's a good chance that essentially the two games this season they've beaten us are as good as it'll get for them and that this is what the 80's were like. We'll brag and boast we did them, they'd say I'd take two defeats every season if it meant being champions.

[And]

nevermind

[Reynard]

I can't believe that you're still digging, still trying to justify what you posted.

God, you even put a smiley in there.

[paddyo]

[V3zna]

Tell you what, hope you guys never see the original thread it came from cos i think your heads would explode

Just as bowser can say he wants to crush fowlers face I can say I hate liverpool for those reasons... and just as he wouldnt do it if it came down to it some of my best mates are scousers...

It seems to me as soon as Heysel/Hillsborough/Munich/ is mentioned people just lose their heads and go mental... I dont know how many posts i will have to make saying i hate scousers singing about death as much as i abhor utd doing the same. However, i hate liverpool for a lot of other reasons, some of them posted on that list, I wanted to see who felt the same, didnt realise i should have censored the list to exclude anything that could cause offence!!

You shouldn't have posted the list. How anybody could ever think that would be a good idea is beyond me. Man Utd thread or not you know Liverpool natives / fans visit this thread and contribute. Posting what you did is despicable.

[paddyo]

[Reynard]

You know that you can go back and edit your post, right?

[Poppalarge]

One thing I have not really understood is this.

I think people who sing Munich songs are knobs, Munich was a tragedy and it's sick to mock the dead. But anyone singing such songs its written off by me as a cock. It doesn't offend me ot the core, since I wasn't around at the time, and It certainly wouldn't cause me to start singing in retaliation about something equally tragic but also something that equally doesn't affect me.

I guess I am saying that i can't understand the excuse of mocking the dead in retaliation to other people mocking the dead. Talk about sinking to their level..

Also its the hypocrisy I hate about most football fans. A premiership football gives a fan the finger after having some song sung about his baby taking it up the arse, and 10000 people call the police and report it as a crime.

[paddyo]

You know that you can go back and edit your post, right?

have edited mine but is quoted too!!