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5R7

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oh fuck this.

 

its not even the losing the game, its that the whole fucking first team is out there getting more tired, and we have to play on Wednesday, then Sunday. and we have to win those games.

 

This was a poor decision all round to put this team out, they should have been rested.

 

not amused/10

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Just now, feltmonkey said:

I don't know if throwing the game when the FA Cup was there to be won would have been the right idea either.  I just hope this dreadful performance doesn't derail the rest of the season.

That's just it, I think it will. Confidence back down, players out, players tired. Ugh... so disappointing. For what it's worth I don't think we should have played a weaker team either. In fact I almost wish we'd just gone full force and stuck to the same formation as the last few games. Hard decisions for Ole to make though I guess.

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31 minutes ago, 5R7 said:

 

nah, hes done, hes been at the top of the mistakes leading to goals for 2 seasons. Since that world cup, hes just not been good enough.

off him now while we could still get some money for him

 

I just don't really understand what's happened to him. It seems the issue is mental. He's 29 years old which should be peak for a goalkeeper. Kinda reminds me of Djokovic becoming a bit shit for a while, but then sorting his head out and becoming no.1 again.

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When De Gea arrived he'd struggle with long distance shots, there was an issue with his sight, and it kind of went away. When he was exceptional he'd make those quick reflex reactions from shots up close or use his legs and knee in blocking one on one situations. I don't think he's lost that ability, it just doesn't seem those shots are made towards him? 

 

Now he's returned to struggling with long distance shots, far worse than seemingly any other keeper in how soft he is. Is there something in how United are playing that exposes his weakness and decreases the chances of making those stunning saves. It's the lameness of the shots and frequency of them going through him. He can't make a stretching save, he can't really use his feet, they're inbetween. He barely moves. I think it's a low other keepers going through a low don't even fall to. If you hit the ball slightly either side of him it seems like it'll go in every time. There has to be something majorly wrong, which is all the more confusing given how exceptional he was during United's lowest points and now they're ascending he's lost all his confidence. 

 

In that first season when he made the Mata free kick save I thought it was one of the best I'd ever seen and still think that, but he can't retain the no.1 position surely. Whether the club can manage 3 keepers of their status I don't know, I'd want to take Henderson back and give him a chance. 

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I was thinking that. Probably can't just make Romero the new nailed-on starter because that wouldn't be thinking about the long term. But having him around would make giving Henderson the chance a lot less risky. Hope he isn't too upset at having been dropped for this game, tbh, even with De Gea's wobbles giving Ole all the reason not to.

 

I don't think we should sell De Gea because, quite frankly who is going to pay loadsamoney for someone who has been so error prone for so long now. But he also might come good again, and he's on a massive long contract. Loan him out I think, see if a change in environment is what he needs.

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You know, I'm going to go against the consensus and say that form is temporary, but class is permenant. I remain loyal to De Gea even in the face of his fallibility. He was by far the best in the world until he had a disastrous World Cup, which clearly damaged him mentally. He's not the first player to have a crisis of form and confidence after something like that, and if he gets back to his best he wouldn't be the first to recover from such a dip either.

 

That's the thing - Henderson is decent, but his best is nowhere near De Gea's best. De Gea is still fairly young for a goalkeeper, and conceivably has many more years of his peak in him. If Henderson was the answer, he wouldn't be third choice as England goalkeeper, particularly behind Pickford. 

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I'm not sure a two year wobble counts as "temporary".

 

Henderson will likely never be as good as De Gea was at his best, sure. But he probably wouldn't make as many basic errors either. I also wonder what you think is going to trigger De Gea to regain his confidence and form. Just giving it time doesn't seem to have helped. I don't see how simply keeping the faith helps anyone.

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The keeper isn't a position where you can ride out a severe drop in form, whenever it occurs in other teams pundits will say 'just remove him from this situation and pressure'. It's not like De Gea ought to stay at United forever, he's been here for so long, and it's not like he's passed it at 29*, i don't think him losing being 1st choice, being loaned or even sold is a betrayal of all the times he saved United. We know his dream move was Madrid and ever since that fell through he's excelled rather than moped, maybe he hung on to the hopes of winning something with Spain, whether to then secure the deal or whether he was content with never securing that move who knows.

 

If the team is going to almost completely change position by position over a few years i kind of want it to go all the way. I've always felt a bit sorry for De Gea for not getting the move, every other outstanding player in their position over the decades seems to pass through that club, and for them to go for a former Athletico Madrid player as well..

 

It was like his superman saves were wasted battling for 4th. De Gea is on a huge contract for a keeper, and has won cups, but still, spending his career in the worst slump United and Spain have found themselves in for a long time is not the best career he can have.

 

People in Spain really don't rate him at all, whether they just don't watch the premier league or hold the mistakes for Spain against him. I'll be surprised and disappointed if he starts next season as no.1 as i expect him to be as weak as he regularly is now, and we'll wait and wait and wait.

 

I think the apparently outstanding saves he made against Chelsea were just ones every keeper would make. I know he's made unbelievable saves in the past, ones other keepers wouldn't make, but other keepers too make stunning saves now and again, the way people were mentioning it it was as if he'd really saved United rather than done what is expected.

 

I don't think being behind Pickford should be held against Henderson, there's not been the international games available to try out other keepers, which i'm certain would have happened. Pickford is still the no.1 by default but few think he should be.

 

*although Joe Hart was that age when City let him go..

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5 minutes ago, teddymeow said:

 

I don't actually know to be honest. Maybe that is why he's been on loan so much?

 

Pretty sure he was well thought of in the youth team as a potential future Utd keeper but Jose gave him a chance at one point and he made a big mistake.

 

He's then been out on loan to Hearts and possibly other teams but hasn't exactly been great at any point.

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5R7

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49 minutes ago, ckny said:

Looks like he wasn’t even getting a game at Hearts having a quick glance at their last few teamsheets. Fair to say Joel Pereira is not the future MUFC number 1.

add him to the LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGGG line of "other" keepers we have had!

such as:-

 

luke steel

tom heaton (okay, he came good!)

Ron-Robert Zieler

Ben Amos

Sam Johnstone

Pierluigi Gollinmi

 

....except...we also have somebody that could work!

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Never even heard of that last name.

 

Just noticed that we’re now level on goal difference with Leicester. Makes sense to go for broke against West Ham and hopefully rack up a 3 or 4 goal win, rendering the Leicester game irrelevant.

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48 minutes ago, ckny said:

Just noticed that we’re now level on goal difference with Leicester. Makes sense to go for broke against West Ham and hopefully rack up a 3 or 4 goal win, rendering the Leicester game irrelevant.

 

I think Chelsea may drop points, so it's not neccessarily all about Leicester. They have Liverpool and Wolves to play still, which doesn't strike me as the easiest run in. Liverpool seem to have eased off a bit, but Wolves still have something to play for, as they need to finish at least sixth to assure qualification for the Europa League. If Arsenal win the FA cup they'll take the place of the team finishing 7th.

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Sorry for being negative but I just got to get this off my chest: even if we make top 4 our fate will be decided by the transfer windows. Watch City buy players and strengthen their squad so much that their bench could win the league. The drop off between our first team and the reserves is ridiculous. There are so many players that simply aren't good enough to challenge for anything. Our front three Rashford, Martial and Greenwood is great, but when they get injured we are in big big trouble. If Bruno or Pogba gets injured we are in trouble. If Obi Wan Bissaka is injured we are in trouble, and we have just seen what happens when Luke Shaw is injured. Harry Maguire has more or less played every single game since he came on to the team, its just a matter of time before hes injured. And lets not forget Rashford before he was injured, he played every single game as well. And in the last game he played before getting seriously injured, he was playing with a minor injury, back pains if I remember correctly. We need more top players in our squad. 

 

Seriously, we need more depth and until we got it were not going to win anything. 

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5 hours ago, Stevie said:

Sorry for being negative but I just got to get this off my chest: even if we make top 4 our fate will be decided by the transfer windows. Watch City buy players and strengthen their squad so much that their bench could win the league. The drop off between our first team and the reserves is ridiculous. There are so many players that simply aren't good enough to challenge for anything. Our front three Rashford, Martial and Greenwood is great, but when they get injured we are in big big trouble. If Bruno or Pogba gets injured we are in trouble. If Obi Wan Bissaka is injured we are in trouble, and we have just seen what happens when Luke Shaw is injured. Harry Maguire has more or less played every single game since he came on to the team, its just a matter of time before hes injured. And lets not forget Rashford before he was injured, he played every single game as well. And in the last game he played before getting seriously injured, he was playing with a minor injury, back pains if I remember correctly. We need more top players in our squad. 

 

Seriously, we need more depth and until we got it were not going to win anything. 

 

 

I'm not going to say you're wrong, but once we have the starting 11 sorted, then we can start getting in the spares and replacements for injury / rotation.

 

Club can't do it all in one transfer window, we might be a wealthy club, but we're owned by people that take money OUT of the club, Cjhelsea and City's owners pour cash in for fun, Liverpool have taken the long game approach, which is what we will have to do.

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5R7

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19 hours ago, MikeBeaver said:

 

 

I'm not going to say you're wrong, but once we have the starting 11 sorted, then we can start getting in the spares and replacements for injury / rotation.

 

Club can't do it all in one transfer window, we might be a wealthy club, but we're owned by people that take money OUT of the club, Cjhelsea and City's owners pour cash in for fun, Liverpool have taken the long game approach, which is what we will have to do.

 

 

what mike said, it took liverpool 3 and a half seasons to assemble that front line, we at least have a front line, that really, will get better as they play more together!

 

We now have almost a great first team, i still think we need a long term DM/DLP, and we need another CB. But once that is done, then, we can look to strengthen the squad!

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