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15 hours ago, dizogg said:

Also you’ll never close the gap with OGS as your manager.

 

I want to see United stick with OGS for a while. We are too quick to get rid of managers. David Moyes isn't the greatest manager in the world - but there is a good reason we was initially offered a 7 year contract and I think if we stuck with Moyes the past 7 years we wouldn't be in any worse of a position than we are now.

 

In fact, to give Moyes some credit; he was given a lot of shit for not buying players - but the two first team players he did buy (Fellaini and Mata) we relied on for the following five years after he got sacked. So many games where we were either a goal down or equalising and we turned to Fellaini to come on and nut away that last minute goal. Terrible times - that you have to rely on floating the ball into the box for someone tall to nut it to the ground and hope it bounces in the back of the net... but it got us through when all the expensive buys weren't performing.

 

Moyes thought he had time to turn the squad around. He didn't even get chance to finish out the season. He still has a marginally better win percentage than Louis van Gaal and won as many titles (Moyes' 1 Community Shield vs LvG's 1 FA Cup).

 

If we can have a solid backroom staff and OGS at the helm, I'm not worried. We just need time and patience. I'm not worried if buying new players is a little slow - there is also talent coming up from the youth squads. So long as United finish in the Top 5 each season and we can see an improvement as time goes on, I'm happy.

 

United enjoyed so many years of success winning title after title, year on year. We got spoilt. 

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24 minutes ago, BlackHoodedCrow said:

 

If we can have a solid backroom staff and OGS at the helm, I'm not worried. We just need time and patience. I'm not worried if buying new players is a little slow - there is also talent coming up from the youth squads. So long as United finish in the Top 5 each season and we can see an improvement as time goes on, I'm happy.


I’m a bit worried. We need to sign young talented players like Sancho, Werner, Haaland and the likes if we want to compete for titles. I think OGS will be sacked unless he gets us champions league football, and in order to be top 4 we need to improve our squad. We failed to sign Bruno last summer and you can see how much of an impact he has had, and there is no doubt in my mind that if we had signed him last summer we would have been 3rd right now. 

 

We can’t have players like Jones, Lingard, Pereira, Smalling, Dalot, Rojo and Sanchez taking up space. We need top top players like City and Liverpool has.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Stevie said:


I’m a bit worried. We need to sign young talented players like Sancho, Werner, Haaland and the likes if we want to compete for titles. I think OGS will be sacked unless he gets us champions league football, and in order to be top 4 we need to improve our squad. We failed to sign Bruno last summer and you can see how much of an impact he has had, and there is no doubt in my mind that if we had signed him last summer we would have been 3rd right now. 

 

We can’t have players like Jones, Lingard, Pereira, Smalling, Dalot, Rojo and Sanchez taking up space. We need top top players like City and Liverpool has.

 

 

 

But come on, he couldn't get rid of all those, along with the ones he did last year as well, with the injuries Utd had this season, that squad was needed, this summer, of course some of those will go, youth can come through and new players will come in. OGS needs to finish this season, and preferably in 4th, even if 5th allows CL next season, 4th would send out a decent message of intent, but he needed time, he got time, things started to improve and the actual football was becoming fun to watch again, results count, but playing a good looking game also helps, it's there for entertainment, not just the result, if all you care about is the result, maybe a day in the bookies is better than a trip to Old Trafford.

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10 minutes ago, Stevie said:

We failed to sign Bruno last summer and you can see how much of an impact he has had, and there is no doubt in my mind that if we had signed him last summer we would have been 3rd right now. 


I agree that we need to sign the right players, but I don't buy statements like that. You can't expect to buy one player (Hello Pogba) and expect a massive turn around in the team. There is undoubtedly a lot of dead wood we need to axe and players we should attempt to buy - but if they aren't coming all at once, that's fine. And if we buy a player and it doesn't turn our entire season around - that's also fine. I'm just saying we should have a little patience with one manager / setup before we get trigger happy on firing them.

Not sure the board will agree though.

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2 minutes ago, MikeBeaver said:

 

But come on, he couldn't get rid of all those


Our net spending wasn’t great if you take into account that we sold Lukaku for 74 million and our total net spending was 75 million. A club our size should easily have spent 150, especially since we are in a complete rebuild. We also let Herrera leave for free without a backup, and that’s just unbelievable incompetent.

 

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results count, but playing a good looking game also helps, it's there for entertainment, not just the result, if all you care about is the result, maybe a day in the bookies is better than a trip to Old Trafford

 

Agreed. OGS has had some fantastic highs, like PSG in Paris and beating City thrice, but there has also been some depressing low’s due to lack of squad depth, but that’s avoidable because it’s down to having the right players. I like where we are heading, but the league is a lot tougher and more competitive compared to ten years ago so we have to spend money.

 

I like this rebuild and I want OGS to succeed, but we can’t get results without proper financial backing and without results OGS will be unemployed. My biggest fear is having yet another manager come in and proceeding to undo everything because he has a different vision. I mean OGS is Juan Mata’s what...5th manager? We’re one sacking away from becoming Southampton.

 

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46 minutes ago, BlackHoodedCrow said:


I agree that we need to sign the right players, but I don't buy statements like that. You can't expect to buy one player (Hello Pogba) and expect a massive turn around in the team. There is undoubtedly a lot of dead wood we need to axe and players we should attempt to buy - but if they aren't coming all at once, that's fine. And if we buy a player and it doesn't turn our entire season around - that's also fine. I'm just saying we should have a little patience with one manager / setup before we get trigger happy on firing them.

Not sure the board will agree though.


Both yes and no. The reason why we have improved under Bruno is because he adds creativity to our midfield. He create chances for Martial, and as a result Martial gets better. One player can compliment the squad and improve those around him. When we were playing Lingard he would just run around and lose the ball. He had zero assist and zero goals scored in all of 2019 and that not good enough.
 

Of course I don’t believe we can sign all the players at once, but we have to be willing to spend money that reflects the size of the club and it’s ambitions. Sadly we have the Glazers in charge and they only own the club because it’s a source of income not because they love it, and if they can make money by finishing 5th or 7th every year then they will be happy.

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2 hours ago, Gabzy said:

Back on the 19th vs Spurs :wub:

 

The thought of seeing Pogba, Fernandes and Rashford playing together is almost too much

Fingers crossed it's the aggressive, skilful, driven Pogba we get and not the petulant, whinging, childish Pogba.

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There is a lot of reported interest in Van der Beek, and it seems to be gaining momentum. What do you guys think about this? If I'm honest I don't really understand why we'd be focusing on another CM right now. We have Fred, Matic, McTominay, Pogba, Bruno, amongst others. Do we really need him? I can only imagine if we do sign him that means we're losing one of the others. I hope he's not a Pogba replacement.

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I don't really know much about him but I'm going to assume h'e brilliant! And haven't we been wanting a good defensive midfielder to replace the ageing Matic who can't have too many more years in him? If Pogba did go in the summer I don't think we need to bring in a like for like replacement so much. With VDB we'd have a pretty nicely balanced midfield 3 with Bruno, Mctominay and VDB as first choice. Add Fred, Matic and hopefully Garner in for rotation and bring in a young creative player who can rotate with Bruno a bit and I'd be very happy!

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Man I cannot wait. Fully expecting to be crushed as soon as those 90 minutes end, but until then the dream of Brogba being the perfect partnership and king Rashford scoring a hat trick on his return is flying high :wub:

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2 minutes ago, feltmonkey said:

Is Pogba going to play? I haven't seen much sign of him on the official YouTube channel's training videos. Did he play in either of the friendlies against West Brom? 

Yeah he did. Apparently him and Bruno teamed up in the middle when we lost 2-1 :lol: I still have hope!!

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God I'm worried about the inevitable press backlash against Marcus Rashford. He's young, black, rich, and successful, and now he's embarrassed their right-wing paylords into feeding poor children. This is going to make the campaign of malicious lies against Raheem Sterling look like a love-in. 

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Rashford is our new captain. The boy is becoming a man.

 

29 minutes ago, feltmonkey said:

God I'm worried about the inevitable press backlash against Marcus Rashford. He's young, black, rich, and successful, and now he's embarrassed their right-wing paylords into feeding poor children. This is going to make the campaign of malicious lies against Raheem Sterling look like a love-in. 


They may try, but they will fail. Everyone loves him.

 

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No-one listens to Katie Hopkins anymore, and she went too early.  The Sun and The Mail will leave it a couple of weeks before the front-page stories about his love life start appearing.  I hope the club looks after him because it's going to be brutal.

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He has to get some game time, so any interested clubs can see how he’s recovered from his injury.

 

Only joking. I really hope he’s got over his childish, petulant attitude and comes back fully committed to help push us on. He’s got the rest of the season to convince me he’s right for us. I’m 100% down on him at the moment, so I hope he proves me wrong.

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