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16 minutes ago, spork said:

Anyone who still thinks we need to replace Ole is an idiot.

 

Yeah, exactly. If Jose was still in charge, the narrative would be all about a Mourinho masterclass or something. Ole has a habit of masterminding these famous victories against the best teams, but people still keep saying he's out of his depth.

 

His signings, particularly Fernandes, have transformed this team, as well. 

 

Edit - corrected bad spelling/ignorance. 

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Really loved this victory. Dogged determined fantastic organisation. Fred was a revelation. James nearly made me dislocate my jaw with his ridiculous greed for shots - could have squared it to Fernandez for a tap in at least twice. But otherwise so much to be excited about. Ole all the way!

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4 minutes ago, feltmonkey said:

 

Yeah, exactly. If Jose was still in charge, the narrative would be all about a Mourinho masterclass or something. Olke has a habit of masterminding these famous victories against the best teams, but people still keep saying he's out of his depth.

 

His signings, particularly Fernandez, have transformed this team, as well. 

i think the main thing is, Ole has a clear idea of what he wants, he wants to bring in the best, to go with homegrown, essentially, what he was part of.

 

He is identifying the right players, of the right age, and making the club make the effort to actually bring them in!

Lets be honest, Klopp, has had 4 years or so, and steadily improved the team each season, we need to give Ole that kind of time

 

But, a big part of the run we have been on is Matic coming back to form, which shows really ,that we should be targeting a DM in the summer as a long  term replacement!

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18 minutes ago, spork said:

Anyone who still thinks we need to replace Ole is an idiot.

 

Hmm. Let's assume that our uptick in form since signing Fernandes continues, and that we qualify for the Champions League (in 4th or 5th). Won't this still have been a pretty miserable season, points-wise? Just because we're not playing as badly as earlier in the season, and the teams around us are dropping points too, doesn't mean there shouldn't be a question mark over Ole's record overall. Chelsea and Spurs won't have another season as bad as this one (Arsenal might). Wolves or Sheffield United could kick on. We can't really afford to have another season like this.

 

I'm not saying we desperately need a new manager. But if an outstanding candidate becomes available and wants the job, we should be open to it.

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So, every time Chelsea win United draw or lose, except when winning means doing the double over a Man City side managed by Guardiola that's one of the best premier league teams ever. Of course! Never in doubt! 

 

Freaky how inept the big sides are at creating chances against Man United, they look like they just don't try. Is why I just never think there's a defensive problem that needs to be rectified by focussing recruitment in that area as opposed to attacking midfield. That's a few goals scored sort of scruffily at the near post in a shot the keeper should save. These games just go United's way.

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2 minutes ago, Liamness said:

 

Hmm. Let's assume that our uptick in form since signing Fernandes continues, and that we qualify for the Champions League (in 4th or 5th). Won't this still have been a pretty miserable season, points-wise? Just because we're not playing as badly as earlier in the season, and the teams around us are dropping points too, doesn't mean there shouldn't be a question mark over Ole's record overall. Chelsea and Spurs won't have another season as bad as this once (Arsenal might). Wolves or Sheffield United could kick on. We can't really afford to have another season like this.

 

I'm not saying we desperately need a new manager. But if an outstanding candidate becomes available and wants the job, we should be open to it.

 

He's played most of the season with injuries to some of our best players. He's played most of the season having to play the likes of Lingard and Pereira who clearly aren't good enough. Bringing in Bruno has sort of shored everything up, like he was the missing piece of the puzzle. I bet there arent many other managers who would done much better with the squad we've had available this season. 

 

We've been consistently really good against the big teams and it's the "smaller" teams who sit back who have caused us issues. The lack of creativity we've had in the middle has been a massive part of that. Bruno instantly fixes that. You can even see how much better players like Mata have looked when they have someone like Bruno to play with. He just pulls everything together and makes it one, rather than having to rely on Jesse Lingard who runs about and offers pretty much nothing else. 

 

Ole has also got brilliant consistent performances out of Fred, Rashford and future captain Scott Mctominay. Williams has developed into a little shithousing left back, Greenwood has looked as good as we hoped he would. Even Martial looks pretty good when he is surrounded by the right players.

 

All of his signings have been brilliant too! Maguire looks well worth the £80m. Wan Bissaka is amazing. Bruno is Bruno and even Ighalo who I didn't really know anything about has looked like the right signing for that particular role. Dan James (a 21 year old from the Championship who we bought for 15m) is also looking like a good signing but has clearly been suffering from fatigue for a while. I doubt the plan was for him to be as involved as much he has been. This gives me lots of faith that if we bring in 2 or 3 new players over the summer they are probably going to be the right players and will fit in really well with the system we have, unlike the majority of our other signings over the past 7 years. 

 

Is Ole the best manager in the world? Course not, but throwing all of this positive development away and starting again seems fucking mental, especially if it's for someone who doesn't really have much of a history of winning anything.

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I forgot about the best thing with Ole. He's actually clearing out the dead wood!

 

Young, Valencia, Lukaku, Smalling, Rojo and Sanchez!

 

I'd be shocked if Lingard, Pereira and Jones are still here at the start of next season too.

 

He deserves a knighthood just for this.

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4 minutes ago, spork said:

I forgot about the best thing with Ole. He's actually clearing out the dead wood!

 

Young, Valencia, Lukaku, Smalling, Rojo and Sanchez!

 

I'd be shocked if Lingard, Pereira and Jones are still here at the start of next season too.

 

He deserves a knighthood just for this.

They won't be, because he's already frozen them out of the squad. We are definitely moving in the right direction.

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@spork Fred's upturn in form has been pretty insane. City were after him too, and I think we can all see why now, but would he have reached this level more quickly under different coaching? He barely played for the longest time, almost as if Ole didn't think he was "his" player, and was forced to include him due to injuries (similar to what's happened with Matic), and he seemed to gradually find his feet simply through playing games consistently. I'm not convinced that it was all part of some grand plan, so why give him credit?

 

I won't simply accept that Ole was hamstrung until we signed Fernandes. The coach has to adjust their approach to get the best out of their players, not the other way around. Liverpool have a pretty functional midfield, so their creativity comes from the flanks, for instance. I don't think the group of players he has had at his disposal are fundamentally much worse than Chelsea's or Leicester's, yet we're trailing them.

 

Happy to give him credit for bringing the likes of James, Greenwood and Williams through, and we have been pretty good defensively too. These are positive things but, taken together with Ole's overall record, his position surely isn't untouchable. I feel there will be coaches available in the summer who can improve things - probably only a handful mind - particularly with regards to how we press and how we attack.

 

re: Lingard, I wouldn't want us to let him go this summer, when off-field issues are so obviously affecting him, and he's been subject to abuse. We can have a pretty toxic fanbase at times and I wouldn't want to see them thrown this particular bone. Let him stick around for another season at least, as a squad player. I think letting him leave under a cloud could be a bit shit for morale. Of course Conte could always swoop in for him, I'd be fine with that.

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I was just about to say that. He deserves to be hoofed for that. He’s seen what an absolute prick he’s been with United, so to hire him shows a total lack of respect for the club.

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1 minute ago, JPL said:

I was just about to say that. He deserves to be hoofed for that. He’s seen what an absolute prick he’s been with United, so to hire him shows a total lack of respect for the club.

 

I imagine it's because he knows he's off in the summer and knows Raiola with get him top dollar.

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