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3 hours ago, tbb said:

Decent transfer business? 

Shakiri I'll give you but then there's a keeper unproven in the Premier league who had a torrid World Cup and Keita who is also unproven and is never more than a minute from a red card. 

Obviously unproven doesn't mean they'll fail but it's not a guarantee of success. 

You've also got to bear in mind that Salah is unlikely to have as good a season as he has just done. 

It’s more that they’ve got who they’ve gone for, while Woodward is pissing around and will probably end up getting us whoever he can get for the least money. Liverpool feel like they’ve got a plan, whereas we don’t.

 

Like I say, I hope it’s just my pessimism and it’ll all come together. We’ll soon find out.

 

What makes you think Salah won’t have as good a season?

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He might. But he hit some pretty high heights last season. It would be very difficult to do the same again. Not impossible, but difficult. 

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Hopeful talk that. Cross your fingers and hope that your rival’s players underperform. 

 

Have you watched Salah play? Last season was no fluke. The vision, touch and technique... Best player I’ve seen in a Liverpool shirt and once the world gets over Ronaldo and Messi he’ll win the Ballon D’Or. 

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I reckon he'd of won it this year if we'd have won the CL.

 

17 hours ago, spork said:

I'd love it more if we bought Maguire and had him and Jones as our first choice center backs. 

 

Yeah but only for the facial expressions theyd both pull haha.

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I'd rather we got Mena than Maguire. Especially as Mena would be half the price. Maguire at £70m is ridiculous. 

Mena also scored 3 goals at the WC which ain't bad for a CB (that's 3x more than Salah ;)) 

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56 minutes ago, tbb said:

I'd rather we got Mena than Maguire. Especially as Mena would be half the price. Maguire at £70m is ridiculous. 

Mena also scored 3 goals at the WC which ain't bad for a CB (that's 3x more than Salah ;)) 

 

 

One more. 

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18 hours ago, spork said:

I'd rather we give Tuanzabe and Fosu-Mensah a proper chance. They might not be the finished article which probably puts Mourinho off but there is so much potential there. 

completely agree with this!

 

and today, we are apparently in for £60 mil for toby alderwierald...who is 29,...and again back in for willian, who is 30 next week...i really want woodward to simply say ,"No, we aint signing old players for loadsamoney" its ludicrous short term stupidity and fiscally irresponsible!

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30 mins in against a team which is 3 weeks away from the star of their season, and it looks like we are in for another glorious season of turgid, garbage, sitting deep and not pressing! BOOYAH!....*sigh*

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that was absolute garbage. the whole tour has, the players dont look fit!?! 

A Pereria has been the best player on the tour, and you just know that jose will play fred, who doesn't look any better, ahead of him. same as when he bought miki, who wasnt an improvement on lingard.

Bayern looked better in every aspect, and they are three weeks away!

 

tbh, with the way jose sets them out, we could pre season for another month, and still look crap!

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Are we actually going to buy anyone? I was being a bit facetious with my earlier post where I said the board don’t care, but it’s looking more and more likely that this season is a write off before it’s even started. How utterly depressing.

 

I mean, what the fuck are they playing at? They could at least pretend they’re trying to compete. This just seems totally despondent.

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17 minutes ago, Loik V credern said:

The club don't need to buy anyone.

What do you mean? Do you really think the squad is good enough? Do you think they’ll get anywhere near City? Do you think they’re strong enough to win the league? The Champions League?

 

All I’m currently seeing is practically the same squad as last season, and they certainly weren’t up to any of those challenges then, so why would they be now?

 

Or do you mean ‘the club don’t need to buy anyone’, in that the money is still rolling in, so why should they give a shit?

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10 hours ago, JPL said:

What do you mean? Do you really think the squad is good enough? Do you think they’ll get anywhere near City? Do you think they’re strong enough to win the league? The Champions League?

 

All I’m currently seeing is practically the same squad as last season, and they certainly weren’t up to any of those challenges then, so why would they be now?

 

You're measuring the player's ability and the quality of the squad as a whole by the performances, though. I think performances can change dramatically in a week of intense, specific and brilliant coaching, as has been demonstrated dozens of times by numerous coaches in football history. We're seeing it again right now with Bielsa at Leeds (after one game). We saw it last season with Guardiola at Man City. We saw it with Conte when Chelsea got battered off Arsenal, fell to 5th place i think it was, and then he went with his own methods and formation and ideas and won the league (with previously endlessly on loan Moses as quite an important player) in i thought a more convincing entertaining way than he ever got credit for (when you think how everyone eulogized over Guardiola at City).

 

Why is football so apparently complicated? It's not. It's simple. It's difficult to do it simply, I know. Sorry, i know I'm tedious, but i find the obsession on players and their apparent absolute quality exhausting to engage with. It never ends. There's quality all over the pitch but it's poisoned by the perception they're not up to it.

 

Yes the team can win the premier league, as can any other team. Yeah, I know, United play shit so everyone thinks they won't win the league because they play like shit. I know. Yeah i know City are really strong. But no team has defended the league title in a while.

 

Positives for United: Sanchez has had his first summer rest in years. Pogba just won the world cup being disciplined and sacrificing himself to play a role that's not natural for him really. Martial and Rashford are still some of the brightest young attacking talent in the world. Lingard isn't bad either. De Gea is still my favourite keeper in the world. I think Bailly is immense. I think Andreas Pereira is always quality but it's probably a waste of time mentioning a young talent who only features for United on tours. Lukaku showed intelligence in Russia. Juan Mata is still the most likeable man in football. Herrera and Blind are selfless terriers. Luke Shaw is still only 23. I thought Timothy Fosu-Mensah has been brilliant and mature in the past but probably pointless mentioning him as well. Matic is solid. There's quite a few committed selfless players United have got really. Young and Valencia are others. I know they're getting on, but they're adaptable.

 

The team is what it is. I don't recall Ferguson moaning about signings. Check out the 8-2 again. The team was David de Gea, Patrice Evra, Phil Jones, Jonny Evans, Chris Smalling, Nani, Anderson, Tom Cleverley, Ashley Young, Danny Welbeck, Wayne Rooney.

 

I don't get the large declarations from people. If United, like any other team, get the absolute best out of most of the players every week, say 8 out of the 11, and there's a good balance, and they take each game as it comes, and gain momentum, then anything can happen. But no to all that I guess. The season is defined by whether or not the club splurge £70m on Maguire.

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@Loik V credern You’ve got me wrong. Well, partially at least. Although I do think the squad could do with strengthening in a lot of areas, I also think that Mourinho is imploding. Whatever you think of him, he used to protect the players when things weren’t going to plan. He’d play up in interviews, he’d make it about him, he’d deflect the shit. Now though, he’s actually singling players out and laying the blame on them. That won’t be doing their confidence any good, and it’ll be spreading a negative vibe through the dressing room.

 

I agree that we’ve got a lot of talented players, but with Mourinho’s treatment, I can’t see it being the best environment to play in.

 

The reason I’m looking at more signings, is that Mourinho isn’t going anywhere (yet), so i’m hoping we can get some players in who can help lift the mood and, in turn, give the other players a boost.

 

Ideally I’d like a good strengthening of the squad in the areas we’re lacking and getting a decent manager who’s forward thinking tactically and encourages the players. My worry is that neither of those things are going to happen.

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I'm self destructive. I'd like all the players to lose deliberately to get Mourinho sacked, ideally at the same time Bielsa's Leeds is sitting so impressively high on top of the Championship table that him becoming next Man United manager becomes a certainty. I couldn't despise Mourinho any more. I genuinely don't know why he's in football.

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The Mourinho sparkle has gone and has been for some time. From my admittedly armchair view, he needs time away from the game. He never seems to enjoy it and his team plays like absolute shite. It's weird seeing United is such a sorry state. 

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I can't understand why United would sell Pogba. I can understand why he'd leave, but then i never understood why he came back. Gomes i don't think has the mentality to play at a top club - he has major confidence issues. The chance him flourishing under Mourinho or at United is zero. 

 

I think a Pogba Modric swap might sound more appropriate - not that Modric would want to leave or Madrid would let him go. I'd take the short term wizardry of Modric over the potential long term if probably sporadic excellence of how Pogba develops, if only because there's not been a legendary player commanding the centre of midfield for United since Scholes. And Modric is so good i don't think even Mourinho could ruin him. He got over being voted Madrid's worst signing and the accusations of perjury hanging over him didn't affect him in Russia. 

 

edit: well apparently Modric wants to leave and Inter are interested. Don't believe any player who gets games for Madrid wants to leave, tbh. Man United wanted Modric in the past. Would fans go for that swap? I think opinions would vary. 

 

I think City got very lucky with the players they bought after the takeover - Silva, Aguero and Yaya are not just among the best in the world but all time greats. And they're done it again with De Bruyne. United, De Gea aside don't have the same knack but it feels like with Pogba the potential is there. Talent wise in terms of skill, passing range, shot technique he equals De Bruyne but is way behind on decision making. It's still a bit of a failure to not get the best out of Pogba. 

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