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Don’t totally disagree with what you’re saying, but you can’t really add Arsenal in there in any way. Wilshere has a contract on the table at a reduced basic salary and so far he hasn’t signed it and it seems like he’ll be off on a free in the summer. And obviously we’ve had loads of attacking players look for an exit over the last 10 years.

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Yeah I'm not including the attacking players of Arsenal in with the other clubs there. And definitely not looking back 10 years, just 5. Basically from 2013 onwards. 

 

Do think there has been a strong team spirit to Arsenal though despite everything else over the last 5 years or so. Maybe an Arsenal fan would say the only players who want to leave are the ones with the desire to win and the club isn't matching their ambitions, maybe they'd say it says a lot for the other players complacency. Maybe it's that a lot of the squad has been together for a long time, under the same manager, there's a homeliness to it.

 

Martial is moody, Rashford is moody, Lukaku is playing and is moody because he never thinks he gets enough respect. Giroud left, but as a barely used sub seemed happy. Walcott also left, but seemed happy...maybe that's more about complacency, but I mean if there's a cause all the players believe in maybe some are willing to sacrifice. Under Ferguson's winning years Solskjaer summed up the selfless spirit. 

 

Pochettino is the only reason Lloris is still at spurs, without the promise of progress he'd be at PSG I think. There's some discontent with wages now, also being fuelled by the media, but it doesn't seem like any want to leave. Walker did, Rose might. Tldr United's approach to signings kills the collective. And why wouldn't young hungry strikers be moody playing in an ultra defensive team, shunted out wide for the 150 minutes a month they might get to play, under a manager who hates them. 

 

Didn't know about Wilshere, I was just thinking in terms of being able to go on loan again this season but deciding to stay and fight for his place in the team, despite competition being greater. Suppose every player under the influence of an agent from the outside appears greedy. Maybe he isn't one of the last remaining passionate die hard one-club players around. 

 

tbh I don't know why I post about football, I barely watch it and am really disillusioned with it.

 

Gonna sound ridiculous but...Sunderland have been in turmoil for years, i just think there's an emptiness to a club when it buys players with no reason or purpose, and they are just there to earn a wage. 

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Should've never been shut down in the first place. Finally is the right word for it.

 

Tuchel to Arsenal is being reported by Kicker who are apparently usually reliable. We don't even seem to be in for him. This would result in City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs all having some of the most forward-thinking coaches in the world, who are all excellent at coaching players to press intelligently and who actually run attacking drills. Mourinho seems much more limited by comparison, largely coaching for positional discipline. He doesn't even seem to particularly want to be here most of the time.

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interesting statement in the paper "Manchester United will seek information on what happened between Jose Mourinho and former Chelsea duo Kevin De Bruyne and Mohamed Salah before making a call on Luke Shaw's future."

 

being as he fucked both of them off and they are immense now!

 

 

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You should stop reading newspaper bullshit. I mean Fergie got rid of Japp Stam (the future of this club is Wes Brown), Pogba, and Ronaldo which were all mistakes. Yes we got big money for Ronaldo but there's no denying how greatly he improved when he went to Madrid.

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On 25/03/2018 at 13:16, Liamness said:

@BigShimmeryWallThis would result in City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs all having some of the most forward-thinking coaches in the world.

 

alright don't rub it in :(

 

The Tuchel news did stand out there, turn down Bayern, talk with Arsenal.  United seem to be deliberately not chasing the younger managers. Who doesn't think Tuchel will do great things with a club in the future? Jonathan Wilson reckons every manager has a period of 10 years before they're no longer at the forefront of the game. There are anomalies to this but after Wenger moves on we'll likely never see a manager remain at a club for two decades, the new younger breed demand more from themselves and their players instantly, and avoid thinking long term in a highly stressful pressurised career. Which is an approach I prefer, because it focusses more on the day to day improvement. Language like 'transition' Mourinho has used lately is an easy get out to deflect from failure, as the club has been in 'transition' for 5 years and football changes a lot in that time. The team is unrecognisable from the one that last won the league.

 

The obvious joy Tuchel was getting from some Champions League games when he was manager at Dortmund was obvious to see in the post match interview - like a neutral fan just having fun seeing an entertaining game. No sense of any criticism, not guarded, no deflection.

 

I think Mourinho will never be happy in football. There's a suggestion his father's death last year has sunk Mourinho into a depression, and i never saw any joy from him before that anyway. I remember him throwing his fa cup medal away in 2005 (or 6) because he thought his team weren't getting credit. Occasionally in interviews he'll laugh when he drops his persona. Man United was supposed to be his dream job.

 

He should be relishing the challenge of going up against Guardiola at City, with similar funds, same amount of time in their jobs. It's not even the gigantic task he was facing at Madrid, where he built the team to be able to counter Barcelona. This time the derbies would have mattered a lot still, but the season should have had two sides at their peak brilliance, comparisons between similar players in same positions, contrasting playing styles, discussion of different ways to improve a team and win. Mourinho has messed it up. And being one of the most privileged people in the world he's lost nothing and gets to have another go next year. Tldr 'pragmatic this season was going for it and scoring for fun', as Jonathan Wilson has said. 

 

You can imagine Guardiola retiring indefinitely after next season, which would make it 11 years for him. I think he'll want to manage an international side but he might take a few years off. Andre Villas Boas is another example, made his money and wants to do something else entirely. 

 

I still don't understand what happened with Guardiola, no journalist has explained it. I believe Guardiola wanted to manage Man United, and that he wouldn't choose Man City over United based on ex Barcelona colleagues being there. I think if Man City pursue him, flatter him with large money offers, and United don't then he's going to choose City. He has professed his love for Scholes in the past, 'if there was only some way we could play together'. He was offered to play for United and declined it. Not that in these two decisions he opted for money over the experience, I just think he doesn't actually care that much. 

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So who are we supposed to be cheering for tonight? I’m leaning toward Liverpool as I think they’d stand less of a chance against Barca or Real. Or would they? This sucks. Whoever wins, we lose.

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1 minute ago, 5R7 said:

well, jose could learn from this...but...i doubt it. you know we will sit back and it will be pathetic and we will give em the title...at old trafford...eurgh...

 

Its at the Etihad. But if we win this 3-0 (or more) they'll be determined to get the win against you even more now I think. 

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2 hours ago, Stigweard said:

 

Its at the Etihad. But if we win this 3-0 (or more) they'll be determined to get the win against you even more now I think. 

I’m not sure. I’d say trying to come back in the second leg will be far more important to them than winning the league now. I mean, the league’s in the bag, so for them to leave it while they concentrate on the Champions League makes more sense to me.

 

No doubt we’ll play like scares rabbits and hand it to them anyway.

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so it is!, why did i think we were home!? but yeah, we will be shit!

 

and it is an odd one, i mean, do city rest the main team to go for ikt against lpool...i would as the league is a gimme really with the rest of their fixtures!

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7 minutes ago, 5R7 said:

so it is!, why did i think we were home!? but yeah, we will be shit!

 

and it is an odd one, i mean, do city rest the main team to go for ikt against lpool...i would as the league is a gimme really with the rest of their fixtures!

 

Problem City have is, should they rest players for Liverpool and lose badly at home against United, it could have a knock on effect on confidence heading into the second leg, having already been humbled by Liverpool last night. They need to go into the derby game with a 'We win the title now" mentality and hope it breeds the confidence they need to overturn the 3-0. 

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line-up for today then...finally plays the 3 man mid we have been saying for ages...but leaves on Sanchez instead of Rashford...then again, we will probably play 10 men in our half and lump it long...

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I'd take a terrible 0-0, but honestly for what's supposed to be a big deal, it doesn't really matter that much. We're supposed to be desperate for City not to win the title by beating us, but really who cares? They're winning the league anyway, whether it's today, next week, or whatever. 

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Kompany has given them a more physical aspect, and he's kept Lukaku quiet too. City do look much better with him in the side. But yeah, that was as much about a typical Smalling brainfart as it was about Kompany being dominant.

 

This could be chastening.

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