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feltmonkey

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Michael Oliver has been completely hopeless as well, as he is every time I see him.  I've never seen a game in which he hasn't ended up booking players for dissent, as players remonstrate and get frustrated by his consistently wrong decisions.  

 

This isn't a reference to the penalty, by the way.  That one was correct, although it's the first thing he's got right all day.

 

Good pen, that.  United absolutely deserve this, it's a battering.

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Hahahaha! This is hilarious.

 

They won't drop him because for some god forsaken reason, he is captain.

 

Anyway, I'm pretty sure my dead nan could have played with more fire and spirit than all our lot today. Embarrassing.

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another woeful performance with players in the wrong place. rooney needs to be gone, he is simply harming the team! jose needs to get back to 433 and fuck rooney off to china

 

and oliver was fucking atrocious, every single decision he gave watford, abysmal.

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Liamness

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lawd, 3-1 against Watford. And 2-1 would've been flattering to us too.

 

It is not just Rooney, Pogba in this deep position has been pretty useless over the past three games. I feel like Mourinho is guilty of vasty underestimating the teams we've come up against by playing the 4-2-3-1 with these players, you're essentially ceding the midfield because Pogba and Rooney do whatever they feel like, so Herrera and Fellaini's mini-renaissances mean nothing because they're given so much to do. Our attack isn't threatening enough either, he hasn't got the best out of our main creative players (two of Mkhitaryan, Mata and Pogba should be starting in relatively free roles imo) and we've got a striker of Ibrahimovic's class feeding off scraps.

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but the reason pogba is in the position, is becasue of rooney, if he wasnt there, we could have pogba plus two others in midfield, pref carrick pogba and A N Other, then a front three of any of the forward players, muinus roone,y cos the rest are better!

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8 minutes ago, boxoctosis said:

 

He's been dogshit. Why won't any manager drop him?!

 

All I can genuinely think of is either marketing obligations, however that works, or the fact his goal scoring history in terms of stats, not actual form, means hoping/relying on him scoring the odd goal to save some points whenever that happens, even if it means sacrificing the overall quality of the play. In the guardian min by min, someone emailed in,

 

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Can’t think of a better parallel to the Rooney situation than Mourinho binning Raul, a once great player who by 2010 was dead weight dragging the team down, as one of his first acts as Real Madrid manager.” Maybe what happened afterwards at Real has made him more politically minded, I don’t know.

 

Team now renowned for shit football hiring a manager also renowned for shit football continuing to play shit football shock. His Chelsea had that glorious spell at the start of their title winning season, and his Real Madrid played limited one dimensional but fast paced counter attacking football. Before he arrived, people were saying that he will be aware of needing to play open attacking football, and will respond to that, but with these losses he might just revert to what he does best. I don't know what's he's going for. He might just play really tight and hope Zlatan grabs the odd headed goal. Still, can't wait to win the league next season. At least Guardiola is not piling on the disappointment of missing out on him by not smashing every team he faces..wait.

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2 shots on target says it all. Fucking pathetic and 6 points behind City already.

 

Is it time for Mourinho out yet, or shall I give him a bit longer? Today's selection, formation and performance have all been utterly shite.

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Guardiola has quickly set about creating the best possible representation of his footballing ideals with the resources he has at hand. On the other hand, quite aside from us not playing well, this doesn't even look like a Mourinho team, does it? He seems to have compromised himself by trying to please others, and I sincerely hope he reverts to type shortly. Early days in the season I guess, here's hoping this sort of ignominy doesn't become routine like it has in the last couple of seasons.

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DC Lemon

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Oh well, for the first time in my life I think I can say without any exaggeration or delusion that I could have played better than Wayne Rooney today.

 

All I'd have needed to do was remember that I had team mates on the pitch and then attempt to kick the ball towards them.

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9 minutes ago, feltmonkey said:

I don't think the problem is the manager.  I think quite a few of the players simply aren't good enough.

 

I think we've been through this perhaps 7 times. The team I mean. So that team can't beat Watford? They're not Barcelona. It's Watford.

 

A bugbear of mine is taking a performance in isolation and declaring players aren't good enough as a matter of absolute fact, rather than lots of variables affecting how they perform. It's not doing the team any good to keep going through so many players. At some point you've got to accept it's not the players or the manager but the identity and direction of the team, which only the manager can shape. The players can't.

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But it isn't like he could replace the entire team is it? He had to look at the key areas of weakness and build from there. I think we've still got a lot of dead wood at the club and the rebuild will probably take longer than expected, or any of us want. I don't think he's found the best formation to get the team playing properly yet either, and that's a worry. Especially when he seems determined to play Rooney most of the time. I don't think he's been good enough for the last couple of seasons to be honest.

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49 minutes ago, feltmonkey said:

I don't think the problem is the manager.  I think quite a few of the players simply aren't good enough.

 

The fact you keep conceding goals to simple cutbacks from wide areas is quite clearly 100% on the manager. That space isn't being vacated over and over by accident.

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59 minutes ago, Jon said:

But it isn't like he could replace the entire team is it? He had to look at the key areas of weakness and build from there. I think we've still got a lot of dead wood at the club and the rebuild will probably take longer than expected, or any of us want. I don't think he's found the best formation to get the team playing properly yet either, and that's a worry. Especially when he seems determined to play Rooney most of the time. I don't think he's been good enough for the last couple of seasons to be honest.

 

It's like people have amnesia though. The exact same thing has happened before. The exact same thing. Man United buy players, say top talent Depay, because 'pace', team is slow and turgid hence 'pace', and within a year or 18 months he's discarded deemed 'not good enough'. His performances would suggest he hasn't been good enough, sure*. Has he shown talent in bursts? Yes. Has his talent been harnessed? No. Why? Is his confidence completely shot? How is he settling in? Is he practicing free kicks? If players are just the tools of the manager, the artist, and he uses them to paint pictures that come out disorganized, broken, unbalanced, I'm blaming the artist, not his tools. The suggestion wouldn't be; buy some more expensive tools, it'd be; how do you want to play, what do you want to achieve ? These kind of 'the players aren't good enough remarks' seem to crop up when the team fails to flow against average sides like Watford, rather than against the top sides. But it's the failure of the team, not Watford's brilliance.

 

*Neither were Di Maria's eventually, yet his talent before and after United is clear. Hmm, what's the problem there then I wonder? Something about not trying and PSG being dominant, the premier league just being too tough for him or something.

 

Half way through Moyes' season Plissken wrote a post saying the players at Man United weren't good enough, they were old (the average age of the squad was actually something like 27, on par with Chelsea), team needed rebuilding. I made a long post back, saying that all the players were fine. Smalling came good, Cleverely did okay in bursts at Villa and Everton but not an influential player, Hernandez was great for Leverkusen, Zaha can have his great games but isn't consistent, Nani was good at the Euros (not much, but anyway), Welbeck has done well for Arsenal i think in between injuries. Since then though Leicester have won the league, and Man United haven't actually improved in terms of performance or final position in the table.

 

There's something to be said for the continuity Arsenal enjoy, when every season they don't buy too many and try to have in mind where each player will fit in. Man United is not getting the best out of so many players it buys.

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