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Schweinsteiger would get games if it wasn't for being a bit shit. He's come out and said he's happy to run down his contract (ie. he's being paid too much) and Mourinho has just made it clear that is what is motivating Schweinsteiger.

 

And honestly anyone who hates Ibra is just weird. He's clearly got his tongue firmly in his cheek the vast majority of the time and the rest of the time he just is as good as he says he is.

 

And I'm an Arsenal fan. 

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Obviously your opinion on Zlatan is completely mad, tourist, so I'll concentrate on the Schweinsteiger question.  I do sort of like him as a player still, but last season, when he did play he was pretty poor.  He was a big contributor to the stodginess that infected the midfield last season.  He didn't move around much, and never looked to make things happen.  As the season wore on, it became evident that he was getting more and more overweight.  It has now come out that he was being given special treatment, allowed to fly home to Germany a lot, even to party during Octoberfest.  Apparently this caused some resentment amongst other players.  Combine this with his injury record and his extremely high wages (wasn't he last season's second-highest paid player after Rooney?) and it becomes obvious that he was the player in the whole squad who stands out most as dead wood. We don't know what's gone on behind closed doors, but it seems Schweinsteiger has dug his heels in and refused to move and Mourinho has made it public by making him train with the youth team.  Neither man comes out covered in glory.  Mourinho is actively trying to force him out by humiliating him.  Schweinsteiger should be looking for a new club who will actually play him, but he seems to be happy with a kind of paid retirement, as he knows that no-one is going to pay him as much as United are, because his ability on the pitch now doesn't warrent a wage of two hundred grand a week.  It's a stalemate. 

 

It's a shame that such a formerly great player is being put in a humiliating position, of course.  However the pertinant word there is "formerly."  He's nothing like the same player anymore.  This sort of thing happens to a lot of good players as their powers decline.  Keane was unceremoniously ditched for being a tool on MUTV, remember.  If he'd been at the height of his powers he wouldn't have been sacked for that.  Torres got loaned around, given a free transfer and then wasn't even given a contract extension at Athletico despite being a club legend.  Joe Hart is getting similar treatment to Schweinsteiger at City, but people are admiring Guardiola's ruthlessness rather than branding him hateful as you have with Mourinho.  I could also point out that those three have or had a huge amount of history with the clubs that supposedly treated them badly, whereas the only history between United and Schweini is one really crap season.  I am absolutely not a Mourinho apologist, in fact seeing him in our dug-out still feels weird, and somewhat like a deal with the devil, but the reality in football is that if you're in the business of winning there's no room for sentiment.  

 

 

By the way, am I alone in being pleased that people suddenly hate us again?  It's a good sign! :D

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I can't understand how anyone can hate Ibra. Yes he's arrogant but you only to have to look at his career stats to see it is completely justified, the only person at Old Trafford anyone could hate is Mourinho which is completely justified in my opinion.

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With Zlatan it's not just about stats, it's the way he plays the game - the flair, the skill, the spectacular goals. He scored an overhead kick five minutes into his first appearance in a United shirt ffs. How anyone who claims to be a football fan could hate the man who scored that ridiculous goal against England is beyond me.

 

Regarding arrogance, what we've been missing for a few seasons, and what Zlatan, Pogba, and Mourinho have brought back is a touch of justified arrogance, a bit of swagger. No football club is going to be short of arrogant characters, and we haven't over the last three seasons.  LVG, Memphis, Rooney - they aren't short of self-belief. What you need is players and managers who think they're the best and happen to be right.

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22 minutes ago, Gabzy said:

Could you not use the same argument for Mourinho and say that yes he is arrogant but you only have to look at his career stats to see it is completely justified?

 

No, because 'yes he is arrogant' doesn't cover the depths of awfulness he's plunged. Hiring Mourinho at this point to chase silverware, or overlooking the poison he brings to anywhere he can spout his vindictive bile is selling your soul to the devil in exchange for the slimmest chance of success. If anyone wants to know if they fall under the description of 'glory hunter' then being silent on Mourinho and the Pogba farce will tell you.

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'selling your soul to the devil in exchange for the slimmest chance of success.'

 

I'm not sure what this is in reference to. Mourinho's record indicates anything but the 'slimmest chance of success'. I didn't even want him at the club but it's foolish to pretend that he doesn't bring with him a high chance of significant achievement, even if only short-term. 

 

Now if you're saying the slimmest chance of long term success without embarrassing, avoidable controversies then you're probably on the money. I somewhat naively hope that it's been made clear to Mourinho that his past behaviours won't be tolerated at United and accept him as the manager based upon the naive hope that he will behave differently now that he has the job he truly craved. But we'll see. 

 

 

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He craved the Real Madrid job too, but that ended up being the place where his behavior was the worst, arguably.

 

However, he's not Hitler or Satan, he's a flawed and sometimes unpleasant football manager. I think d ebolenk is overstating the extent of Mourinho's evil. From his post you'd think we'd appointed Jimmy Saville.

 

I also don't think the Pogba transfer can be considered a farce either. He left the club, who tried to keep him but couldn't give him as much game time as he wanted, then a few years later when he's developed into one of the world's best players we buy him back, for an admittedly eye-watering fee. In hindsight if we'd made him a first team regular at the time we would have avoided paying the fee. You never know which players are going to go on to become greats, and every young player wants to play for the first team. You can't guarantee it for all of them. Actually, I personally don't think Pogba would have become half the player he is if he had stayed at United. He was better off learning his game in a successful team alongside Aturo Vidal, and coached by Antonio Conte than being ruined by David Moyes and LVG, while playing alongside Phil Jones and Fellaini, who he's not going to learn anything from. I've got no problem with us now signing him again. To ignore the chance to sign a world-class player just because it would make the club look a bit silly would in my eyes be more stupid that letting him go in the first place was. Not that we actually "let him go" - it was the player's choice.

 

The idea that being excited by and supporting our current team, or "staying silent" over Mourinho being manager and Pogba being bought back for a record fee somehow makes me a glory-hunter would be insulting if it wasn't so bizarre. "Staying silent?" This isn't like some kind of crime we're being complicit in by not coming forward! It's a managerial appointment you disagree with.

 

I have to say I'm enjoying your contributions to the thread though, d ebolenk. We've disagreed a few times recently, but although quite a bit of what you say seems crazy to me, I do appreciate that it is at least thought-out craziness. :D

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I'm delighted for Rashford, who was absolutely outstanding from the bench.  An injury time winner from a homegrown teenage supersub - what could be more Manchester United than that?

 

You have to say, it was genius from Rooney as well.

 

Really tough on Hull, though.  They were incredibly resolute, although I still think they will go down.  They can't keep this up.

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Has Aguero been banned for the derby yet? I keep hearing talk of it, but I haven't seen any response from the FA. How long have they got to say something?

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Yeah, it felt strange to read the deadline day coverage and see no mention of United apart from the odd loan departure.

 

I also like the story that came out of the Hull match of Fellaini's chivalry in rushing to the aid of a female fan who was getting crushed in the celebration of the goal.  

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/27/marouane-fellaini-rushes-to-help-woman-crushed-during-manchester/

 

You can see on Mr Do's photo the woman in the pink coat getting squashed against the advertising board, and Fellaini breaking away from the celebration towards her. The transformation of Fellaini from uncoordinated thug to cultured midfielder and protector of women is a remarkable one. I wonder if it's all down to the ginger hair dye.

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Aguero banned for 3 matches.

 

It's a bit of a shame really, as it would definitely make the game more interesting with him playing. Still, if it means we can turn them over then I'm all for it!

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i know ive said it earlier, but i dont think much of miki...now even less, hes should have kept running and then chased that down. we look fucking garbage! and jesse lingard is having a mare! considering hes only just come back from injury i cant understand why he is starting..or why he is starting on the left!

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