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Seanfl9

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£100m for Pogba... Anyone here happy that this is looking increasingly likely to happen? I can't really have much of an opinion as I have only seen the guy in the Euros and the odd occasion in the CL.

 

100m...complete bonkers. Or is he that good? 

 

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Yeah, we're being used.

 

Reports are that Pogba would rather go to Real Madrid, for obvious reasons.  His agent is making a lot of noise about him going to United for £100m to push Madrid into offering the same sort of amount.  Madrid are saying they can't match United's money.  The translation is that the agent is asking for £100m, and Madrid want to pay less.  We're not really involved beyond being a bargaining tool.  Meanwhile that gullible fool Ed Woodward is acting like billy big-bollocks, thinking he's pulling off a transfer coup and waving huge amounts of cash at a player who isn't really interested in playing for a team that competes for fourth or fifth.  It's pretty similar to the Sergio Ramos situation.  We're not a good enough team to attract those kind of players.

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Yeah, I can understand the talk of us being used for Pogbas agent to negotiate a deal to Madrid but I can't help but feel he quite likes the idea of coming back into a new United and prove exactly just how great he is. Oh, and the 300k+ wages he'd be on may be a deciding factor. 

 

Even if we don't get Pogba, I'm sure Mourinho can lure a top class player of the same position. 

4 hours ago, Baring said:

The manager is though. The wages are too.

 

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1 hour ago, ckny said:

There's literally no reason for any player to sign for us over Barça or Madrid other than money. They have the glamour, the weather, better trophy prospects.

 

But we're Manchester United. He'll have the chance to become a Stretford End legend, to join the other great players from our history. To play at the Theatre of Dreams, in front of 76,000. 

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Do, stop drinking the Kool Aid. 

 

56 minutes ago, Mr Do 71 said:

 

But we're Barcelona. He'll have the chance to become a Catalan legend, to join the other great players from our history. To play at the Camp Nou, in front of 100,000. 

 

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Seanfl9

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Barca only had 1,000 higher average attendance across 15/16 season than Utd. Only a full house for two games of the season.  

 

I was there not long ago, the atmosphere was garbage too. 

 

Just fucking sign for Utd, Poggy! 

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Part of me would be furious if we paid 100 million for Pogba just because we probably could have kept him and not paid a penny in transfer fees if Fergie hadn't been dicking around with absurd central midfield combinations like Park/Rafael during that injury crisis a few years ago and actually played Pogba a few times instead. 

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2 hours ago, Majora said:

Part of me would be furious if we paid 100 million for Pogba just because we probably could have kept him and not paid a penny in transfer fees if Fergie hadn't been dicking around with absurd central midfield combinations like Park/Rafael during that injury crisis a few years ago and actually played Pogba a few times instead. 

 

Didn't we annihilate Arsenal in an FA Cup match with that midfield duo?

 

Edit - nope, it was Rafael and Fabio on the wings with O'Shea and Gibson in the middle :lol:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/9421189.stm

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Buying Pogba would be the crystallisation of the short term stupidity and big name buying policy that has so obviously worked in Man United's favour over the last 3 years. Oh, wait, no it's been embarrassing and pathetic. For consistent failure where what has been tried has not brought the club within reach of the league, this should have been the opportunity to start again, promote youth, hire a manager who can rebuild the identity of the club. Buying big names in the misguided hope that you paper over the cracks just enough to eventually win has not worked.

 

Maybe the method that seems more about Woodward's ego than actual logic will work eventually, when enough players have been hailed as saviours on their arrival, subsequently deemed 'not good enough' based on performances where they are affected by the whole not functioning, and then eventually discarded for the next saviour. 

 

People have extraordinarily short memories. The feeling of every new arrival will bring something that the team previously lacked, the team's build up play being slow so insert 'speed', no one taking a game by the scruff of the neck like at the height of Keane's psychopathic period, so insert 'leadership'. The team's play is obvious and stilted so insert 'creativity'. 

 

Maybe it's just not the 'right' big names. Or the 'right' manager. Or maybe buying big names who come to Man United for the paycheck and care nothing for the club affects the team spirit. This during a period where team spirit can mean everything (Athletic Madrid/Leicester/Italy's Euros) when combined with a balanced system where every player knows their role, the whole being greater than the individuals. 

 

I guess people get this but have a weakness for glamour and prestige, not least leading idiot Woodward. I suppose once you hire Mourinho, effectively selling your soul to the devil for the increased chance of winning the league (based on a history that people seem so sure will repeat itself), you can't be redeemed until it inevitably falls apart and a proper reset can be attempted. Which, at least, praise Mourinho he does a good fallout. 

 

For a European player playing in Europe the dream is to play for either Real Madrid or Barcelona. Pirlo said he'd have crawled there for the chance. If you're German playing in Europe the dream is to play for Bayern Munich. If you're a European player who has played for either of the above 3 clubs and fancy sampling the Premier League and being vastly over paid, you look at the next tier of clubs, one being Man United.

 

I'd rather millions weren't spent on mercenaries and their agents, nor on managers. I'd rather the club gave its day staff such as stewards, catering and cleaners above the minimum wage, ticket prices were lowered, a manager was hired on the basis of full seasons of development in the play, academy players being promoted, trusted. 

 

Most want that, most know it won't happen, most have settled for the current clusterfuck of a shallow corporate club that is so far gone in many regards that it least could drag back some semblance of respect on the pitch, but which desperate acts of splurging vast amounts on big names will not bring. 

 

It's the Real Madrid model, while Man City try the Barcelona model, both Manchester teams watered down versions; City don't bring through youth and United don't invariably win. 

 

The only positive thing about Mourinho for me is that he picks a central 11 and defines each player's role. No large squads of players playing bit parts, sharing positions, undecided about who is best where and how. The downside is the players not favoured not getting a chance, easy to forget Chelsea bought Luis and Cuadrado. 

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Mourinho seems to be more in charge of the process of buying players than Moyes or Van Gaal were, which is good.  Both of those had Woodward vanity glamour buys thrust on them at various points.  The Pogba idea appears to have come from Mourinho.  Mourinho doesn't seem to sign players on a whim, or just because they are available.  On the other hand, your mention of the likes of Luis and Cuadrado is interesting though, as they were never given a first team chance.  It's as if there was some behind-the-scenes shenanigans involving specific agents.  The fact that Ibrahimavic, Mkhitaryan, and Pogba all have the same agent doesn't fill me with confidence about the transfer policy.

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shaws back...and memphis looks better...which to be fair, they looked really good at the start of last season..might be a good combo! and fosu mensa is looking good for that right back spot!

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I'm going off the idea of Pogba to be honest. His Euro performances weren't fantastic, certainly not £100m fantastic, and he was outshone by a Newcastle player. For £50-60m I'd probably think he was worth it, but I don't think he is worth the price being bandied about. Don't know where we will find someone decent in the same kind of position though...

 

In other news, Mkhitaryan looked like a proper baller, even if it was against Wigan. Really looking forward to seeing his performances this season, hopefully with a rejuvenated Memphis giving options too. With Martial and Ibra (Rashford and Will Keane) I think our forward line will take some beating.

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10 hours ago, Jon said:

How long before Pogba is at Real then?

 

Thursday?

 

22 minutes ago, *chin* said:

I'm going off the idea of Pogba to be honest. His Euro performances weren't fantastic, certainly not £100m fantastic, and he was outshone by a Newcastle player. For £50-60m I'd probably think he was worth it, but I don't think he is worth the price being bandied about. Don't know where we will find someone decent in the same kind of position though...

 

In other news, Mkhitaryan looked like a proper baller, even if it was against Wigan. Really looking forward to seeing his performances this season, hopefully with a rejuvenated Memphis giving options too. With Martial and Ibra (Rashford and Will Keane) I think our forward line will take some beating.

 

Don't worry about the price. The price isn't just for the player at this moment, its what he can/should become. He's a fantastic footballer. Don't let the games in France cloud your judgement too much. He was deployed as a deeper midfielder which at this moment isn't his best position and in turn we didn't see the best of him.

 

Squad announced for the tour too.

 

 

 

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The only reason I mention the price is because I genuinely feel we could get 2 players that would make as much, if not more, immediate impact as Pogba for that fee. I hope you're right though if we sign him and he becomes the player that he has threatened to be, I'm just a tad sceptical.

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1 hour ago, *chin* said:

The only reason I mention the price is because I genuinely feel we could get 2 players that would make as much, if not more, immediate impact as Pogba for that fee. I hope you're right though if we sign him and he becomes the player that he has threatened to be, I'm just a tad sceptical.

 

I had the same thoughts when the rumour gathered pace. But then I sat down and thought about which players we could actually get in and I came to realise that quality is much better than quantity. I'm not sure if you have players in mind or not? Not to mention we've already signed 2 very good players in Zlatan and Mkhitaryan. Midfield is still an area of concern for me and I think Pogba would bolster that area significantly should he arrive.

 

Also, I don't think Pogba, if he signed would necessarily be the final signing. Jose himself has said he had 4 players in mind and they've got 3, with the 4th hopefully coming soon (many believe this to be Pogba) but the window stays open till 1st of September and we can make additions depending on if anyone leaves.

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