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Bayern and Barcelona have elevated themselves over other clubs through continuity. They have strong academies and excellent long term planning (something we need to work on), so even if managers don't stay for more than 2-3 seasons they remain on course. Mourinho has never shown himself to be particularly capable of fitting into a structure like that, blooding youth and making the best of signings that weren't his. He would be a good short option, but I feel we'd risk falling away in the long term by picking him.

If Mourinho is the outstanding candidate available if we sack Van Gaal, then I don't think we should sack him. I would prefer we wait till the summer, assuming we get back into the top four. If Guardiola is available then, great. If not, we try to find the next best candidate. Pochettino could be a good choice.

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My preference would be to sack LVG, bring Mourinho in for the Chelsea match next week, let him enjoy his moment of revenge, take the three points and then sack him too.

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That doesn't make us any less wank. You're so far behind everyone above you in many ways that it's not even something to care about anymore. City, Spurs and Leicester won, shit week yet again.

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I wouldn't entirely disagree with that. Still, it keeps putting a smile on paddyo's face I'm sure, so that's something I guess.

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What's facepalm-worthy about that? It seems likely England will be his next destination and the Man Utd brand and history still has a ton of pull for nearly any world class manager, even if we've performing poorly since Fergie left.

I really really really don't want Mourinho at the club. We passed over him first time for a reason, even though he was clearly desperate to come when Fergie left. I just don't want his antics associated with the club. He ultimately ends up being an embarrassment and liability to any club he joins, regardless of the silverware he brings in.

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You what? It was awful.

I concur, this is almost as bad as when Moyes was in charge. LVG has to be credited from getting us back into the Champions League and bringing through some of the younger players, but we've regressed back. We've forgotten how to defend and our paucity in front of goal is now showing us up to be a poor team at the moment.

Next games against Stoke and Chelsea are crucial I think.

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LVG is 3/10 to be the next manager to get the sack. Seems like it's only a matter of time at those odds, especially as it seems there's been a leaked 'two games to save his job' ultimatum from the club.

I think if he gets anything less than 6 points with an improvement in play from Stoke/Chelsea, he'll be gone and Mourinho will come in.

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I concur, this is almost as bad as when Moyes was in charge. LVG has to be credited from getting us back into the Champions League and bringing through some of the younger players

I'm not too sure about this. Moyes brought Januzaj through, and he looked like he was going to be a world-beater. Since then, LVG has wrecked his career. LVG has bought through Lingard, Blackett, McNair, and Borthwick-Jackson, none of whom look all that great.

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I'm still not sure they want to get rid of another without principle, Moyes went because it was actually impossible to qualify for the CL and that triggered his contract cancellation. What are they in it for now, to turn it around? They don't believe he can? Because I believe this pressure now is the highest it will ever be unless he loses against Stoke. He is going to change what little he can, perhaps recalling Januzaj if possible (though I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he's forgotten about him) and regressing to 5-3-2. His naivety of throwing youngsters in there when he has to and not introducing them when he should may have backfired horribly. I'm happy McNair was blooded but he wasn't relied upon again until too late. Martial is not up to being there every single game and it's getting to him, how Hernandez could be sharing this role yet was moved on so little is insulting to the fans he played for.

Moyes did not buy Januzaj, not sure where you got that feltmonkey but the only thing he did is give him a couple of games. He was phased out to the extent that he's a bench-warmer in Germany when he should be starting wherever he is.

Could Mourinho come through for us? It's convenient timing, and unless Mourinho wants to get back at Roman/the players on a temporary contract, I can only see Giggs as interim with Guardiola signed on for next season. Is that a best-case scenario? No, but it works and it could happen.

LVG is what we didn't need, Moyes was what we didn't need, both decent managers but cannot adapt to how football is nowadays. They refuse to work outside of what they know and only time will allow them to do so, not acceptable to modern day teams, nor the fans. I've fallen out of love with the team, especially since all the players I've watched and rooted for have been escorted out in the dead of night, or aren't even considered to be part of a new system or one that bridges. Was a three year contract the wrong idea? Has he tried to implement his way far too quickly? The owners and Woodward (probably the latter) trying to get back to the old way to save losing it and not being able to return? I think it's all of these, there's no contingency and it shows. Another transfer budget like the one that brought in such inspired signings as Di Maria - and unnecessary vanity players like Falcao - would be silly to offer up again to a new manager, but I get the feeling it's Woodward that needs to be chucked under the bus too. David Gill should have been given more time, though I get the feeling he may have wanted to bow out when he did because of the risk of ruining his reputation and giving up the opportunity with the FA.

Where do we go? I'm not sure, but I'm feeling less and less like it's "we" and more like it's another team that is getting what it deserves for trying to bully its way through a league that's had enough.

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I'm not too sure about this. Moyes bought Januzaj through, and he looked like he was going to be a world-beater. Since then, LVG has wrecked his career. LVG has bought through Lingard, Blackett, McNair, and Borthwick-Jackson, none of whom look all that great.

I think Borthwick-Jackson, Varela and Lingard will make the grade. McNair and Blackett I'm less sure about.

Personally, I wouldn't want Giggs managing either yet. I think he needs to go out and cut his managerial teeth elsewhere.

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It's pretty distressing at having to go through the tedium of Moyes, the unbelievable tedium of Van Gaal, and then just as it looks like the club could land Guardiola, people are suggesting we'll end up with Mourinho. Barcelona didn't want Mourinho then, in 2008 and chose Guardiola instead. In the time since Guardiola has won 19 trophies, won 5 leagues in 6 years, created what people say is the best club team they've ever seen, with one of the best performances, the 5-0 demolition of Mourinho's Madrid, apparently taken Bayern Munich to another level of professionalism and been described by people who've worked at that club for 30 years as the best they've ever seen, 'a fucking genius'. And Mourinho has become even more poisonous, and in 2008 hadn't yet lost the players in any team he'd managed like he has now. I'm convinced it's twisted him up inside at being overlooked for the Barcelona job, and then the Man United job. I didn't want him to come to the Premier League again, and it's only been worthwhile to see him completely lose it this season. This season shows there's no guarantee of anything anymore, to suggest Mourinho will 'guarantee a title' is nonsense, and seems to somehow ignore the real imperative of this United side is to learn how to play attacking football again.

I wouldn't sack Van Gaal before the end of the season like I wouldn't have Moyes, giving a full season is fair. I don't care about top 4 or the title, i think this season, having gone out of the Champions League before it has begun shows how silly it is to aspire to superficial targets without the substance to actually sustain it when it matters. I think the question should be more, should United take Guardiola or Bielsa. Bielsa remains my one last hope as someone who can, where others have failed, really energize the playing style of a team, with no compromises. Chile is still feeling the effect of his time there, having finally given them an identity. I'd love him to get the England job even, but Man United is starting to feel like just as necessary a job. And not a 'rebuilding job' in the sense you sell everyone and replace from elsewhere, which is what has happened and totally failed.

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Moyes did not buy Januzaj, not sure where you got that feltmonkey

Sorry typo - it should have read "brought Januzaj through" not "bought Januzaj through" - as in gave him his first team chance. I've edited it now. He gave him his debut, and gave him a lot more than a couple of games - Januzaj's big season was under Moyes, who placed a lot of faith in him. Then last season he barely played, and this season he was shipped out.

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He's poison. He might win a title and then in three years he'll be bringing shame on the club by kicking a ballboy in the bollocks in a fit of rage or something. No thanks.

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Nope. Guardiola for me. Maybe give Giggs a go just till the end of the season. What's the worst that could happen, we play some attacking football and lose a bunch of games.... better than playing boring, shit possession football and losing a bunch of games.

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Why do people think giggs is worthwhile? He's part of the setup now and hasn't affected things.

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Does anybody in here actually want Mourinho to replace LVG?

I don't think anyone does, unless Gabzy is serious. I don't think the vast majority of fans would want him. When your football descends into such nothingness and everyone is largely in agreement that they'd rather watch better football but be out of the top 4, who really looks at Mourinho as the answer.

But it seems to be a pretty credible idea according to the Guardian, who i don't find to be often wrong when it comes to things like this. First, the suggestion a few weeks ago that Man United were really happy with Van Gaal and would give him the full 3 years regardless of whether Guardiola is available. Then a day ago he's got 'two games to keep his job', and now 'club consider Mourinho but wary of his antics'.

The only way it makes sense for me is that the club were happy with Van Gaal because he achieved Champions League and now reaching top 4 again seems to be slipping away. I think the top 4 as it is now might remain the same at the end. Not getting Guardiola for next season suggests they're only happy for the money Champions League provides in the same way Arsenal's owners are. I think it's worth commenting on because the club's transfer decisions over the last few years have been desperate and embarrassing and just the thought of missing Guardiola in favour of Mourinho hurts purely on the basis of it being so wrongheaded and idiotic. It'd follow suit though that given all the terrible decisions this would be another one.

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I don't think we'll get Guardiola. We'll bumble along for a few more weeks or months with LVG at the helm, and we won't talk to Guardiola in this time out of respect to LVG, which is the honourable way to do things to be fair, and by the time we decide to sack LVG, Guardiola will have an agreement in place with Man City, if he doesn't already.

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