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The next step will be 2K or 4K resolution and that's the end of it.

The thing is most films get digitally transfered to 1080p masters, only a few are edited and mastered on 2K or 4K intermediate systems.

So for the next format they'll have to go back to the 35mm films again and scan them at the new resolution where as for the current HD formats the can just run the 1080p master through a codec and put it out.

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Dual (even triple) format discs are obviously going to be more expensive to author and physically produce and that's going to keep prices at prohibitively high levels.

I said dual-format players, not discs - hence the comparison with DVD+-R. At first it will be prohibitively expensive, but like multi-format DVD write drives prices will drop as people buy them. From where I'm sitting, it's the best solution for everyone.

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That was my original point. If Blu-ray fails, Sony have nowhere to go with Ps3. Ms will just release a new blu-ray add on device.

If the 360 can support an add-on device, why can't a PS3? I wouldn't be too surprised if someone does get a PC HD DVD drive (or the 360 add-on) working with a PS3, even if they have to use the Linux side of the machine to do it.

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If the 360 can support an add-on device, why can't a PS3? I wouldn't be too surprised if someone does get a PC HD DVD drive (or the 360 add-on) working with a PS3, even if they have to use the Linux side of the machine to do it.

Fair point but I think you're stretching reasonable effort/cost on the average consumers part here.

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Fair point but I think you're stretching reasonable effort/cost on the average consumers part here.

But it is the same either way. Blu-ray wins and the 360 can get a Blu-ray drive. HD DVD wins and the PS3 can get an HD DVD drive. What is the difference? They wouldn't be buying both add-ons, just the winning one.

Not that I really believe Sony would release an HD DVD drive for PS3 even if Blu-ray went down the drain.

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But it is the same either way. Blu-ray wins and the 360 can get a Blu-ray drive. HD DVD wins and the PS3 can get an HD DVD drive. What is the difference? They wouldn't be buying both add-ons, just the winning one.

Not that I really believe Sony would release an HD DVD drive for PS3 even if Blu-ray went down the drain.

The difference is clearly selling the PS3 with next gen DVD built in and you are paying for. 360 HD-DVD is a optional extra that you don't have to pay for. If HD-DVD wins the war then I might just not bother with a PS3 at all and get a HD-DVD drive. If blu-ray wins then I'll get a PS3 and won't bother getting the HD-DVD.

I won't be buying a HD-DVD unless it really does become the norm. I haven't paid for that extra yet. PS3 owners allready have.

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And? The other formats aren't exactly created by benevolent organisations for charity either.

But aren't they created to some particular standards as agreed by the leading experts of the day? Sony formats are just whatever the latest thing to come out of Sony R&D is with some stupid proprietary connection and a "cool" name.

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And? The other formats aren't exactly created by benevolent organisations for charity either.

I think what hes getting at is br atm is the more expensive and offers the least to the consumer yet fanbois be it because of gameing or some other thing want br to win just because its a sony product even with it being the worst for the consumer.

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I said dying, not dead.

I was a "must have the box and disc" man until I started travelling last year with only my laptop as entertainment. I'm probably going to sell about £500 worth of DVDs when I get home and I'll be lucky to get £150 for the lot of them. Won't be making that mistake again.

What, the mistake of paying for things? :unsure:

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What, the mistake of paying for things? :unsure:

These days I only rent films. I still buy games, but then I'm much more likely to sell them afterwards. I've lost my interest in collecting things it seems. Unless it's part of a game of course. Collect-em-ups FTW!

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How do you rent stuff when you're on the road with a laptop though? I agree I'm not sure what drives the magpie mentality we all seem to have with these things. I've got a load of disks I've never watched just out of loving the film & wanting to own a copy.

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Who invented it then?

According to Wikipedia

The "Blu-ray Disc Association" was founded in 2002 by nine leading electronic companies: Matsushita, Pioneer, Phillips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, Samsung and Sony

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_...ciation#_note-0

My understanding is that Matsushita and Sony did most of the original development on Blu-ray.

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I don't understand why people want blu-ray to win. Like ATRAC, Memory Sticks, UMD and mini-disc.. these are all efforts by Sony to dominate. They can take blu-ray and ram it for all I care.

Sony also developed Compact Disc and 3 1/2" floppy disc for the PC.

Neither of these two formats would be considered bad.

I'm sure you've used them a lot.

Did you like the sound chip in the SNES or was that also evil?

What about the DVD drive in the Xbox360, where would you be without Sony's contribution to that console?

I don't see how you can pick and choose which bit of Sony tech you endorse, they are only trying to make money that's all. :unsure:

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The fact that Sony has already tried to control what content appears on BD is a worrying sign for the future. If BD does go on to dominate the market, what is to stop Sony trying (and succeeding due to no competition) again?

Are you referring to Porn with this statement?

That was just MS FUD.

From Digital Bits.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa132.html#bears

On the high-def front this afternoon, we wanted to get to the bottom of what's going on with the whole "porn has chosen HD-DVD" brouhaha of late. I've spoken with a number of industry insiders today, including Sony Pictures EVP of Advanced Technologies, Don Eklund, to get their take on things. According to Don, the situation is pretty straightforward. Sony places absolutely no restrictions Blu-ray authoring or licensing that would prohibit adult material from appearing on the format. Others we've spoken with today tell us that some of the major disc replicators (including Sony DADC) simply have a general policy that they don't handle adult material. In the past, with VHS and DVD, that's never been a problem because there are lots of smaller replicators that are willing and able to serve the adult community. But at the moment, there may be fewer replicators here in the States capable of doing Blu-ray that are willing to do so. These replicators have the capacity to do adult product in addition to major Hollywood fare, but choosing not to is simply a matter of policy for them. We do know, however, that there ARE major replicators that currently do adult product on DVD AND that are capable of manufacturing Blu-ray titles, including Ascent Media, Deluxe and others. So far as we can tell, however, Sony is not working to prevent porn on Blu-ray, despite such claims in the press recently.

We've seen additional claims in the media (we've reported on them ourselves) that Disney may have provisions in their own contracts with replicators that specify that no adult material can be handled by them if they produce Disney Blu-ray titles. However, a number of industry sources that we've spoken with today (speaking off-the-record) said that's not the case, arguing that one company contractually restricting a second company from doing business with a third is against the law. Back in the VHS days, Disney would at times specify that replicators use new VHS stock to manufacture Disney titles on tape (to prevent stock that may have been used to replicate adult or other material, but that wasn't degaussed or erased properly, from appearing in Disney packaging - recall the infamous "Aristocats incident" from about a decade ago), but there are no Blu-ray related restrictions imposed by Disney.

To the degree that the adult community may be migrating toward HD-DVD at the moment, we suspect it's because they're more easily finding smaller replicators capable of working on that format that are willing to handle adult material. Based on our research today, it also seems possible that the HD-DVD camp is making an active (and understandable from a business perspective) effort to reach out to the adult community with incentives and assistance in authoring and releasing titles on HD-DVD - reaching out in a way that is not being matched by the Blu-ray Disc camp. There are, however, adult titles being released on Blu-ray Disc format in Japan which means that, at the very least, there seem to be replicators outside the U.S. that are willing to work with the adult community. This would explain recent press comments by Vivid Entertainment Group founder Steven Hirsch, to the effect that he's been able to secure authoring and replication for his company's forthcoming Blu-ray product.

Steve Hirsch press release.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Dis...Does_Dallas/445

Vivid Entertainment officially making good on earlier plans to release the first next-gen porn title to Blu-ray, 'Debbie Does Dallas...Again' for release on March 28.
Though full specs for 'Debbie Does Dallas...Again' have not yet been released, the title is set to include a full 1080p transfer, plus a feature that so far even mainstream studio releases haven't yet dared try -- multiple angles during select scenes. Ahem.
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What has MS got to do with it? It was the porn industry who said it.

Forums all over the Web have been repeating the "no-porn" message about Blu-Ray.

The depth and extent of the message just made me suspicious that someone was orchestrating a campaign to spread this FUD.

It's not like it hasn't happened before.

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Forums all over the Web have been repeating the "no-porn" message about Blu-Ray.

The depth and extent of the message just made me suspicious that someone was orchestrating a campaign to spread this FUD.

It's not like it hasn't happened before.

So you naturally settled on MS out of thin air rather than, say, Toshiba or Universal who would have more to gain or lose depending on how it goes?

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After buying the 360 HD-DVD drive earlier this week I went looking for HD movies and to be honest I was very dissapointed. Most of the stuff available wasn't the sort of film that would benefit from higher resolution and when I went to look for movies which I thought would (The new James Bond, Terminator 2 etc) I saw that they were exclusive to Blu-ray. I got that sinking feeling that I was backing a complete dud and that HD was actually quite rubbish, but then my copy of The Departed arrived and I noticed that for £18 (Just £3 more than the regular DVD on Play.com) my HD-DVD copy actually included the DVD copy (It's two sided). This made me feel a bit more relaxed as I could still sell my HD-DVD player (I want to keep it for now, I just mean if HD-DVD looks like it may go down the toilet) and keep the films, and I could also take this movie to my friends' houses and play it on their regular DVD player. Win-Win really.

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