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Quick question to all those moaning about PS3. You think its shit yeah? Its doomed to fail and has no games worth playing that you cant already play on your 360 and the pad doesn't even rumble. That seems to be the general opinion anyway.

So, my question is why the hell are you stressing about how much it costs? Surely even if it was £200 you wouldn't buy one as its such a big piece of crap. So why all the pissing and moaning about it costing £425? It's been common knowledge its going to cost about that for at least 12 months. I just don't get how people can get so worked up about it. Unless of course that they really wanted one but can't afford it...

It has MGS4 on it. It's going to cost me an awful lot of cash, that game.

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At £280 I'd get one, at £425 I wouldn't.

It's like the Wii, sure the graphics could be better, and it's missing a few features - but it doesn't cost £425. The PS3 in it's current incarnation is flawed and expensive. Knock off a few hundred quid and you're less likely to notice those flaws - it's the same story with anything you spend a lot of money on, you want it to be perfect.

360 on the other hand has a bigger game library, better interface, better controller, better Live integration... and still costs £280.

So until the PS3 it drops in price it's a no.

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You think so?

There's a simple formula:

Price of PS3 at launch (£425)- price of the PS2 at launch (£299) = £126 more than you paid last time.

£425 is a lotta money and I'm sure some will want a PS3 but be put off by the high price tag. I mean shit, you can get a nice HD screen for £450. Or a 360 and a bunch of games. Plus, what with Xmas just having been, poor little Johnny won't be able to ask Santa for one either.

I don't really understand Sony's tactics here. Why not have released it worldwide like the 360 before Xmas, instead of letting a bunch sit on the shelves at Walmart?

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I'll give you it's expensive, but what is flawed about the PS3's current incarnation?

Terrible online store

Slow, unintuitive browser

No background downloading

Games continue to play even if you eject the disc; you have to manually restart the UI via the controller

Messy UI

HD scaler doesn't work right

Price is high for a video game console

No rumble, controller loses sync with system sometimes; little game support for motion-sensing features

Uninspired launch lineup

Enough?

Not to mention it's fucking MASSIVE.

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Terrible online store - Subjective

Slow, unintuitive browser - Subjective

No background downloading - Next firmware update

Games continue to play even if you eject the disc; you have to manually restart the UI via the controller - Are you kidding me? The only consoles which reset upon eject are the Xbox and Xbox 360. The GC, Wii, PS, PS2, and PS3 don't. It's necessary to allow support for disk swapping.

Messy UI - Subjective

HD scaler doesn't work right - Fixed by last patch

Price is high for a video game console - You were asked what was wrong with it apart from "expensive"

No rumble, controller loses sync with system sometimes; little game support for motion-sensing features - Granted

Uninspired launch lineup - Not a problem with the system itself.

Enough?

Not to mention it's fucking MASSIVE. - Granted, although it lacks the 360's Wii-sized PSU.

Soong seems to be away, so...

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OIC, it doesn't deinterlace 720p so you're dependent on the telly being able to do so. Surely this is more of a TV problem than a PS3 problem, though? Is support for 1080i/p support fairly standard for video devices in the States?

I think the affected TVs were manufactured before the 720p standard even existed. The whole issue could have been avoided if Sony had a similar design to Microsoft in that area.

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Soong seems to be away, so...

Hey Alex,

Those words were ripped from the Ars Technica review.

Can you be subjective about a browser being slow? Surely if these were good points they would have been in the Pros section.

I'm talking about problems with the PS3 at the moment, lets hope the next firmware update is out by the time it's released over here. A system without games isn't much of a system, the launch line-up is a pretty important factor in purchasing the console.

I love that book cover btw.

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OIC, it doesn't deinterlace 720p so you're dependent on the telly being able to do so. Surely this is more of a TV problem than a PS3 problem, though? Is support for 1080i/p support fairly standard for video devices in the States?

You mean scale. I'd say it is the PS3s problem, there are a number of HD standards - ideally you'd let your console know what resolution your display is and not have to worry about it again. AFAIK 1080p bluray movies can't be scaled to 720p either, a kick in the balls if you're non 1080i/p. Given the PS3 apparently has a scaler it all seems very silly.

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Hey Alex,

Those words were ripped from the Ars Technica review.

Can you be subjective about a browser being slow? Surely if these were good points they would have been in the Pros section.

I'm talking about problems with the PS3 at the moment, lets hope the next firmware update is out by the time it's released over here. A system without games isn't much of a system, the launch line-up is a pretty important factor in purchasing the console.

Oh, yeah, they're definitely problems, I just don't think they're all particularly serious. It's not, y'know, broken, just inexplicably half-assed in various ways that will vary in importance from individual to individual.

You mean scale. I'd say it is the PS3s problem, there are a number of HD standards - ideally you'd let your console know what resolution your display is and not have to worry about it again. AFAIK 1080p bluray movies can't be scaled to 720p either, a kick in the balls if you're non 1080i/p. Given the PS3 apparently has a scaler it all seems very silly.

Yeah, it's weird, and the sort of thing that in theory should be fixable fairly easily. From what you say about Blu-Ray it seems the PS3 was designed to fit into some sort of Blu-Ray niche, rather than just slotting into whatever hardware the user has.

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Granted it's not something you'd design in if you thought about it, but who here actually owns an 'HD' display that can't take a 1080i feed?

In Europe not many, but in the North America it's a far wider problem. Even then 1080p to 1080i to 720p is an unnecessarily tortuous route which will effect picture quality. Undermines the "We're the HD daddies" message too.

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I don't really understand Sony's tactics here. Why not have released it worldwide like the 360 before Xmas, instead of letting a bunch sit on the shelves at Walmart?

Because they can still be called units shipped, and the launch hailed as a triumph? Me, i'm not convinced about PS3, not that i'v got that kind of money to spare anyway.

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I'm pretty sure Sony counted on their incredibly low stocks actually selling out, too. Evidently they underestimated the effect of a price tag. I imagine the Wii's price added significantly to the sticker shock effect - parents up and down the country looking and two brand new, well-hyped consoles and scoffing at the one which costs the most.

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Pah....its a console to early for its time.

Lets see what happens when Sony are forced to drop its price.

Mind you, by then, then 360 should have a massive user base.

by the time the PS3 is cheap enough for most people, MS will have stopped supporting the 360. (Xmas '08?)

All should be well. :D

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