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scottcr

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Full disclosure...

I've always been a Hobbit fanboy. It was my favourite story. My folks read it to me as a bed time story when I was about 6, played the spectrum game and read the book myself numerous times. I read LOTR when I was about 16 and loved it... but it never had the same impact on me as The Hobbit did and it hasn't been such a big part of my life.

I savoured every minute. I didn't want it to end. I'd quite happily sit through another 3 hours of adventure. I thought this film felt much more like an adventure. Whereas with the LOTR it was very foreboding with the fate of the entire world at stake... this one is more about Dwarves wanting their house back. It's smaller in scope and better for it.

I took my six year old son to see it... he loved it. He kept asking me questions about the necromancer and Radagast and Gandalf and Smaug... and it took me right back to lying in bed having the story read to me.

I'm taking him through the graphic novel just now... but he's not happy that the stone giants aren't made of stone and Gandalf didn't split the rock with his staff...

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moosegrinder

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They slapped plenty of foreboding into it.

There is, aside from the Dwarves wanting to face a big fuck off dragon the implications about Sauron returning and Bilbo finding the One Ring were really nicely done, I thought. The scene with Gladriel, Elrond, Saruman and Gandalf particularly, especially as we know Saruman turns out to be what he does.

I dunno. I read the Hobbit a long time ago and enjoyed it, but I never finished LotR just because I found it, well, tedious to be honest so I'm probably not the best person to comment on this kind of thing.

One thing I couldn't stop thinking about while watching that scene though was this: Christopher Lee is 90 years old. Fucking 90.

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Unless they specifically address it, I know the first thing I'll be thinking at the start of the next film will be

"Why didn't they just hop back onto those magic eagles that Gandalf summoned?"

I reckon a dragon or something will show up at some point in the second movie.

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Unless they specifically address it, I know the first thing I'll be thinking at the start of the next film will be

"Why didn't they just hop back onto those magic eagles that Gandalf summoned?"

That was amazingly shit. Along with

The Witch-King having a visible ghosty body for his cameo, and Sauron throwing a temper tantrum in his new house, with his new body(!)

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Sauron always had corporeal form! The "Eye Of Sauron" as a giant glowing floodlight was one of the top three shit things about the films. How does a non corporeal spirit use a ring.

Elves and higher beings also see in both the spirit world and the corporeal world at the same time. Though as the nine and the one grant invisibility, its not clear if they should be able to see them. Definitely not the one ring but I think there is some reference in LOTR to elves seeing the nazgul but not 100%.

Geeking out done for this evening.

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Yes - but we, the viewers, are not elves. Or maybe you are. I dunno.

Sauron lost his corporeal form after the ring was ripped off him, I'm fairly certain. He was 'there' - but only as a spirit-ey thing.

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"Though reduced to a 'spirit of hatred borne on a dark wind', I do not think one need to boggle at this spirit carrying off the One Ring, upon which his power of dominating minds now largely depended."

From ol' JRR himself.

Edit 2: God, it's all so vague as fuck, after doing some further reading.

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Watched this on Boxing Day in HFS, was the only 3D movie I've seen that didn't look shit and while the increased frame rate made CGI better, some of the live action shots looked a little odd. However, I really enjoyed the movie which made me want to watch Lord of The Rings as I'd never seen anything more then brief bits of them before. Over the past six days we've watched the Extended Editions of all three movies. Not quite sure why I waited so long, they are very good films.
wtf? Didn't all the Oscars give it away?
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kensei

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Yes - but we, the viewers, are not elves. Or maybe you are. I dunno.

Sauron lost his corporeal form after the ring was ripped off him, I'm fairly certain. He was 'there' - but only as a spirit-ey thing.

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"Though reduced to a 'spirit of hatred borne on a dark wind', I do not think one need to boggle at this spirit carrying off the One Ring, upon which his power of dominating minds now largely depended."

From ol' JRR himself.

Edit 2: God, it's all so vague as fuck, after doing some further reading.

Radagast is describing the scene, and he is a Wizard.

Sauron lost his corporeal form but he definitely regained it slowly has he regained his power. There is reference to him still missing the finger Islidur cut off.

In fact, he may have lost physical form twice. Once at the end of the second age, when he caused the downfall of Aragon's ancestors and once when he lost the ring. The first time he lost the ability to look like a good guy irc. Can't remember if he forged the ring in the second or third ages. If its the second, the quote is a reference to him escaping the ruins of numanor.

Anyway, the red floodlight is still Shit.

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Bored over Christmas, I downloaded the IMDb App for my iPhone and have killed many an hour going through the Trivia section of films. The trivia contains a usual mix of stuff I already knew and stuff I didn't. While reading the Trivia about The Return of the King while thinking about Lee's Saruman, I came across this which made me smile :

While filming Saruman's death scene (now on the extended DVD), Peter Jackson tried to tell Christopher Lee how to react and breathe after he was stabbed in the back. Lee, a WWII veteran with British special forces, assured the director that he knew what a man sounded like when stabbed in the back.
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Asura

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Unless they specifically address it, I know the first thing I'll be thinking at the start of the next film will be

"Why didn't they just hop back onto those magic eagles that Gandalf summoned?"

In fairness, unlike the LOTR films where the eagles are seen to be bitchslapping the Nazgul, meaning they have very little reason not to help...

In the book, the eagles can speak, and they're very worried about taking the party any closer to the Lonely Mountain for various reasons, firstly because they don't get along with the men nearby and are worried they'll get shot at, and secondly because if the dragon does exist, he'll make short work of them.

If you don't want to read the spoiler, in summary, the eagles aren't invincible in the book and are scared to help.

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scottcr

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also - the eagles

aren't particularly fond of the dwarfs

I reckon the Battle of the Five Armies will be absolutely stunning by the way... combine that with

Smaug's attack on Lake Town and burning it to the ground

the 3rd film is going to be pretty spectacular - more so than RotK I reckon

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Regarding the eagles...

I was really looking forward to seeing how the got then to talk in the film and was pretty disappointed when they didn't.

As good as Jackson is in creating Tolkein's world, I do wish he'd sometimes leave well alone.

Beorn better be good, that's all I've got to say.

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Professor Puzzles

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I thought it was funny how the eagles

dropped them all on top of an incredibly tall, precarious rock plinth like they were taking the piss. I hope the next movie starts with an hour-long sequence of the party gingerly making their way down, step by agonising step as the eagles continuously swoop down on them screeching and giggling, trying to make them fall the massive downy gits.

I don't know if I'll be able to watch the next one in 3D if it's got giant spiders in it.

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Sprite Machine

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Er, Scott, I do believe that second spoiler of yours will be the final act of the second film. The clue is in the title:

'The Desolation of Smaug'

I believe that's the name of the area surrounding the Lonely Mountain, not specifically the event in which that attack happens. I expect the second film will end before that.

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I believe that's the name of the area surrounding the Lonely Mountain, not specifically the event in which that attack happens. I expect the second film will end before that.

I doubt it was called that before Smaug got there, so surely they've got to show him desolating the place, or else it won't make any sense...

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Sprite Machine

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I doubt it was called that before Smaug got there, so surely they've got to show him desolating the place, or else it won't make any sense...

Smaug ravaged the town of Dale (and the surrounding area) years ago, but Laketown doesn't get attacked until after Bilbo and co arrive, which I reckon will be in film 3

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I thought that third bridging film idea had been scrapped and this is just solely The Hobbit trilogy.

Even still, I still reckon...

even if the main battle with Smaug over Lake Town is in the third film, they'll still do a recap and show him destroying everything surrounding the lonely mountain.

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