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Finally managed to inflict my own hitting top set on the river bad beat. 1 limper, I raise with KK55 on db limper calls, flop 942 he checks I bet pot he calls, turn J again he checks I take my last stab at picking it up and bet again, he calls. River a lovely K he checks I bet again, he puts me all in and shows 99xx.

Only problem was I lost all of it a couple of hands later when I got it all in on the turn with top set and nut flush draw against a straight flush draw (of a different suit), he hit the straight on the river (30%).

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Nice! Also, what's this "DB" you keep mentioning? Dealer button?

Yeah sorry, I keep on writing the hands like my own personal notes, I should really sort out getting some tracker software so I can post them properly.

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Ouch. My bad run is continuing, nut straight and King high flush draw against just the nut flush draw (I'd hit the straight on the flop he check/called with nothing, we both picked up the flush draw on the turn and got it all in). But my favourite for the night is reraising a button raiser with AKQT he calls, flop KK2, both all in and of course he's got 22xx.

Also played a $5 double up sng and saw someone whose stupidity deserved a bad beat. On the bubble the big blind was all in and even if he doubled up didn't have enough for the small blind, UTG had even less, UTG+1 had just enough for the BB and a very loose big stack was in the small blind. UTG and UTG+1 fold, the next player moves all in for less than the big blind and the small blind calls for about 200 more and shows 89 against the allins KQ. Flop 755, turn 4 river 6.

Also thanks for the recommendation, I'm getting omaha manager this weekend so this should hopefully be my last badly written bad beat.

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Yeah, I had to laugh. I misclick-called a shove earlier too. Those two stupid mistakes cost me like 4 buyins. I would have been quite healtily up if it weren't for them. Ah well, at least it gave me an interesting table image!

Guess that's as good an argument as any for not palying whilst tired.

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This is basically standard now. Make some money when few bad beats occur, then lose a load when I put my money in ahead again and again. It's a little sick that the only reason I'm losing is thanks to this sort of stuff. In the space of a few minutes:

***** Hand History for Game 9197599162 *****

$25 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, May 04, 12:24:14 EDT 2010

Table Table 177852 (Real Money)

Seat 5 is the button

Total number of players : 6/6

Seat 5: AdmiralAmaze ( $56.18 USD )

Seat 1: alexnica1 ( $23.93 USD )

Seat 4: andreasess ( $26.43 USD )

Seat 2: buchanan8 ( $27.93 USD )

Seat 6: gazspray8 ( $58.75 USD )

Seat 3: kolnik ( $8.27 USD )

gazspray8 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].

alexnica1 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to AdmiralAmaze [ Ac As ]

buchanan8 folds

kolnik folds

andreasess folds

AdmiralAmaze raises [$1 USD]

gazspray8 raises [$3.40 USD]

alexnica1 folds

AdmiralAmaze raises [$17 USD]

gazspray8 is all-In [$55.25 USD]

AdmiralAmaze is all-In [$38.18 USD]

** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, Js, Qd ]

** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]

** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]

AdmiralAmaze shows [ Ac, As ]two pairs, Aces and Fours.

gazspray8 shows [ Qh, Qc ]a full house, Queens full of Fours.

gazspray8 wins $2.57 USD from the side pot 1 with a full house, Queens full of Fours.

gazspray8 wins $109.61 USD from the main pot with a full house, Queens full of Fours.

***** Hand History for Game 9197609328 *****

$25 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, May 04, 12:27:00 EDT 2010

Table Table 178801 (Real Money)

Seat 2 is the button

Total number of players : 6/6

Seat 2: AdmiralAmaze ( $24.53 USD )

Seat 3: Billy1903 ( $22.39 USD )

Seat 6: Kyrevi4 ( $7.80 USD )

Seat 5: NewCroesus ( $25 USD )

Seat 4: VADYSKA ( $11.15 USD )

Seat 1: gottirocco ( $14 USD )

Billy1903 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].

VADYSKA posts big blind [$0.25 USD].

gottirocco posts big blind [$0.25 USD].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to AdmiralAmaze [ As Kd ]

Kyrevi4 folds

gottirocco checks

AdmiralAmaze raises [$1.25 USD]

Billy1903 calls [$1.15 USD]

VADYSKA folds

gottirocco calls [$1 USD]

** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, Ah, Ac ]

Billy1903 checks

gottirocco checks

AdmiralAmaze bets [$2.25 USD]

Billy1903 calls [$2.25 USD]

gottirocco folds

** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]

Billy1903 checks

AdmiralAmaze bets [$4.25 USD]

Billy1903 calls [$4.25 USD]

** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]

Billy1903 is all-In [$14.64 USD]

AdmiralAmaze calls [$14.64 USD]

Billy1903 shows [ 8c, Ad ]a full house, Aces full of Eights.

AdmiralAmaze shows [ As, Kd ]three of a kind, Aces.

Billy1903 wins $43.97 USD from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of Eights.

Urgh. Down 4 buyins at 25NL is hilarious.

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I think i'm going to take a break for a while (except the occasional tournament and those i've already got tickets for). I just cashed out some FPPs in exchange for a chunky Amazon gift voucher so it seems the ideal time. The fucking stupid bad beats and setups are starting to creep back with unnerving frequency so it's probably best to quit for now while i'm ahead and just enjoy some strategic tournament play once in a while.

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Running bad sucks but as long as you get your money in good each time or at least play the hand as well as you could, then that's all you can ask for.

Is what I tell myself as the idiots keep sucking out. Still, it's true! The long term and it all evening out can take a long, long while though!

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Running bad sucks but as long as you get your money in good each time or at least play the hand as well as you could, then that's all you can ask for.

Is what I tell myself as the idiots keep sucking out. Still, it's true! The long term and it all evening out can take a long, long while though!

I cheered myself up by playing a bit of facebook poker, I don't touch it usually but I thought I'd train myself in restraint against idiots and managed to go from 3,000 to half a million in a day! :blink:

Edit: Millionare now - wish real poker was this easy.

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I'm in with the bad beat club. i've probably dropped over $2k in the last month, mainly on being rivered, having aces and kings cracked, and some fuck off suck outs. So i have some small amount left in FTP, which i will concentrate on s&g's where i still have a healthy ROI.

I'm getting to the stage where FTP feels rigged, seems to be monthly cycles of 1 week of steady wins, 3 weeks getting my arse chewed.

If that goes thats it for me until about 2 weeks before i go to Vegas next (Nov)

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I'm getting to the stage where FTP feels rigged, seems to be monthly cycles of 1 week of steady wins, 3 weeks getting my arse chewed.

I know the feeling. It's an age old argument which has been debated over and over again with no solid conclusions (but plenty of evidence pointing towards suggesting that sites aren't rigged) but sometimes I can't help but let doubts creep in. Particularly it seems like you always do well immediately after depositing, but maybe this is just my experience. Whenever I have joined up to a new site, or made a new deposit, I have never immediately started losing money, usually in the first day or two I will go up at least 2 buyins, but then 'variance' starts to kick in and the bad beats come flooding. Perhaps that is just coincidence or pschological factors playing a part though.

But definitely I hear a lot more accusation pointed in the direction of FTP. I played there for a while and through a combination of ridiculously good cards on cash games a few good tournament results I almost doubled my bankroll from an initial deposit of $500 within a few weeks. Then I lost it all in about a week through what can only be described as the most hideous run of beats you could possibly imagine. It was almost as if I was playing bots who knew every turn and river, as every time someone chased a draw (even miracle draws) through my attempts to protect a good hand, they hit. Every time. There were very few instances where people who would fish would not hit the exact card they needed.

Now you can say what you want about that experience, that I should have quit playing to cool off, taken a break etc, which would have been sound advice, but trust me, the kind of stuff that was happening to me was almost impossible not to tilt even slightly from. But I genuinely believe most of that large loss was unavoidable. Needless to say I haven't played at FTP since, my experience there seems to suggest that there are only two extremes, maybe that is the nature of the opponents and the style of play but i'm not sure.

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As soon as I saw the flop I knew what was coming, allin preflop KQ vs TT, Flop AKJ turn 3 river Q. Also I'm not sure what's worse having aces and lossing or having them 4 times late on and not have anyone call you.

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If you are a solid regular, winning at a rate of about 6bb/100 hands over a sample of 1 million hands you can expect downswings of around 50+ buy ins and break even stretches of 100,000 hands+.

I totally believe it. That's a big win rate as well. The game is just too dirty sometimes!

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it's worth remembering that most winning players are well above 6bb/100 (assuming we're talking about big blinds, not BB which are double). Rake alone accounts for a good chunk, especially at micros, so when you look at your winrate in HEM or whatever remember to add rake on to that. If it wasn't for rake I'd be somewhere around a 15bb/100 winner at the plo stakes I play.

I dunno if that changes the variance calculations or not, mind.

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The win rates used for the calculations are the amount you are winning AFTER rake. Rake is a very important factor especially at the micros where it can be over 10bb/100 hands.

It doesnt make much sense in including it in your winrate though unless you are trying to make yourself feel a bit better :hat:.

It is pretty rare for players to be winning more than 6bb/100 hands over significant samples.

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Great... :)

PokerStars Game #43824130093: Tournament #270962111, $1.00+$0.25+$0.15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2010/05/09 5:36:24 ET

Table '270962111 5' 9-max Seat #8 is the button

Seat 1: Seeker_nz (7220 in chips) is sitting out

Seat 3: KLAW1105 (2540 in chips)

Seat 4: Hardcoreboy9 (9985 in chips)

Seat 5: diceesio (2655 in chips)

Seat 6: Mamai4 (4825 in chips)

Seat 7: Bumpasaures1 (16946 in chips)

Seat 8: DanDaggerman (2035 in chips)

Seat 9: Aleks Suzi (2909 in chips)

Seeker_nz: posts the ante 10

KLAW1105: posts the ante 10

Hardcoreboy9: posts the ante 10

diceesio: posts the ante 10

Mamai4: posts the ante 10

Bumpasaures1: posts the ante 10

DanDaggerman: posts the ante 10

Aleks Suzi: posts the ante 10

Aleks Suzi: posts small blind 40

Seeker_nz: posts big blind 80

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to DanDaggerman [Qs Qh]

Aleks Suzi said, "nh"

KLAW1105: folds

Hardcoreboy9: calls 80

diceesio: folds

Mamai4: folds

Bumpasaures1: folds

Bumpasaures1 said, "ty"

DanDaggerman: raises 160 to 240

Aleks Suzi: folds

Seeker_nz: folds

Hardcoreboy9: calls 160

*** FLOP *** [9s 2d 6d]

Hardcoreboy9: bets 1840

DanDaggerman: calls 1785 and is all-in

Uncalled bet (55) returned to Hardcoreboy9

KLAW1105 is sitting out

*** TURN *** [9s 2d 6d] [As]

*** RIVER *** [9s 2d 6d As] [Ad]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

Hardcoreboy9: shows [Td Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)

DanDaggerman: shows [Qs Qh] (two pair, Aces and Queens)

Hardcoreboy9 collected 4250 from pot

Hardcoreboy9 wins the $0.25 bounty for eliminating DanDaggerman

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 4250 | Rake 0

Board [9s 2d 6d As Ad]

Seat 1: Seeker_nz (big blind) folded before Flop

Seat 3: KLAW1105 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 4: Hardcoreboy9 showed [Td Ac] and won (4250) with three of a kind, Aces

Seat 5: diceesio folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 6: Mamai4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 7: Bumpasaures1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 8: DanDaggerman (button) showed [Qs Qh] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens

Seat 9: Aleks Suzi (small blind) folded before Flop

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Bottom pair and idiot end of an oesd? 200bbs? In omaha? Duuuuuuh I all in!

***** Hand History for Game 20700416213 ***** (Full Tilt)

$25.00 USD PL Omaha - Sunday, May 09, 11:37:57 ET 2010

Table Alacrity (6 max) (Real Money)

Seat 3 is the button

Seat 1: kpn43 ( $56.50 USD )

Seat 2: lvhandbag ( $24.25 USD )

Seat 3: downtownkitty ( $12.83 USD )

Seat 4: NickZepp ( $25.61 USD )

Seat 5: johan glans ( $77.77 USD )

Seat 6: Seneb ( $38.66 USD )

NickZepp posts small blind [$0.10 USD].

johan glans posts big blind [$0.25 USD].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to johan glans [ Qc Ad Tc Qs ]

Seneb folds

kpn43 raises [$0.85 USD]

lvhandbag folds

downtownkitty calls [$0.85 USD]

NickZepp calls [$0.75 USD]

johan glans calls [$0.60 USD]

** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, 6h, 5s ]

NickZepp bets [$1.50 USD]

johan glans raises [$7.90 USD]

kpn43 raises [$28.60 USD]

downtownkitty folds

NickZepp folds

johan glans raises [$69.02 USD]

kpn43 calls [$27.05 USD]

johan glans shows [Qc, Ad Tc Qs ]

kpn43 shows [6c, 4s 3h 8d ]

johan glans wins $21.27 USD

** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]

** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]

kpn43 wins $113.20 USD from main pot

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PokerStars Game #43903040364: Tournament #271499440, $20.00+$1.60 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2010/05/10 18:26:39 ET

Table '271499440 1' 10-max Seat #3 is the button

Seat 1: ivken (3360 in chips)

Seat 2: jshep77p77p (1330 in chips)

Seat 3: hardcor3_nl (285 in chips)

Seat 4: rckymtnpkr (3960 in chips)

Seat 5: DanDaggerman (1540 in chips)

Seat 6: icuunocme (1395 in chips)

Seat 7: signguy27 (295 in chips)

Seat 8: rugg4 (1110 in chips)

Seat 9: Whitecloud7 (1035 in chips)

Seat 10: joelcracker (690 in chips)

ivken: posts the ante 10

jshep77p77p: posts the ante 10

hardcor3_nl: posts the ante 10

rckymtnpkr: posts the ante 10

DanDaggerman: posts the ante 10

icuunocme: posts the ante 10

signguy27: posts the ante 10

rugg4: posts the ante 10

Whitecloud7: posts the ante 10

joelcracker: posts the ante 10

rckymtnpkr: posts small blind 50

DanDaggerman: posts big blind 100

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to DanDaggerman [Ah Js]

icuunocme: folds

signguy27: folds

rugg4: folds

Whitecloud7: folds

joelcracker: folds

ivken: folds

jshep77p77p: folds

hardcor3_nl: raises 175 to 275 and is all-in

rckymtnpkr: folds

DanDaggerman: calls 175

*** FLOP *** [6s 6h 9d]

*** TURN *** [6s 6h 9d] [7h]

*** RIVER *** [6s 6h 9d 7h] [2h]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

DanDaggerman: shows [Ah Js] (a pair of Sixes)

hardcor3_nl: shows [Ad 6c] (three of a kind, Sixes)

hardcor3_nl collected 700 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 700 | Rake 0

Board [6s 6h 9d 7h 2h]

Seat 1: ivken folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 2: jshep77p77p folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 3: hardcor3_nl (button) showed [Ad 6c] and won (700) with three of a kind, Sixes

Seat 4: rckymtnpkr (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 5: DanDaggerman (big blind) showed [Ah Js] and lost with a pair of Sixes

Seat 6: icuunocme folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 7: signguy27 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 8: rugg4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 9: Whitecloud7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 10: joelcracker folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Getting pretty, pretty fucked off at these.

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Same tourney, few hands later...

PokerStars Game #43903316934: Tournament #271499440, $20.00+$1.60 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/05/10 18:32:13 ET

Table '271499440 1' 10-max Seat #2 is the button

Seat 1: ivken (5000 in chips)

Seat 2: jshep77p77p (1005 in chips)

Seat 4: rckymtnpkr (3810 in chips)

Seat 5: DanDaggerman (1740 in chips)

Seat 6: icuunocme (735 in chips)

Seat 7: signguy27 (1165 in chips)

Seat 8: rugg4 (835 in chips)

Seat 9: Whitecloud7 (710 in chips)

ivken: posts the ante 15

jshep77p77p: posts the ante 15

rckymtnpkr: posts the ante 15

DanDaggerman: posts the ante 15

icuunocme: posts the ante 15

signguy27: posts the ante 15

rugg4: posts the ante 15

Whitecloud7: posts the ante 15

rckymtnpkr: posts small blind 75

DanDaggerman: posts big blind 150

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to DanDaggerman [9h 9s]

icuunocme: raises 570 to 720 and is all-in

signguy27: folds

rugg4: folds

Whitecloud7: folds

ivken: folds

jshep77p77p: folds

rckymtnpkr: folds

DanDaggerman: calls 570

*** FLOP *** [Ah Qs Jd]

*** TURN *** [Ah Qs Jd] [Kc]

*** RIVER *** [Ah Qs Jd Kc] [6d]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

DanDaggerman: shows [9h 9s] (a pair of Nines)

icuunocme: shows [9c Ks] (a pair of Kings)

icuunocme collected 1635 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 1635 | Rake 0

Board [Ah Qs Jd Kc 6d]

Seat 1: ivken folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 2: jshep77p77p (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 4: rckymtnpkr (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 5: DanDaggerman (big blind) showed [9h 9s] and lost with a pair of Nines

Seat 6: icuunocme showed [9c Ks] and won (1635) with a pair of Kings

Seat 7: signguy27 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 8: rugg4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 9: Whitecloud7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Edit: Then lose my KQ vs A8.

Edit 2: Then go out K2 vs AK.

Fuck PS. What's the best way to blow $36 there?

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It looks like you're playing mostly tournaments where the antes come in right from the start. I'd avoid those, really; I can only imagine that it encourages even more crazy play than normal due to the dead money in the middle.

That QQ vs AT hand, though. Brutal!

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