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also i just used some of my stars FPPs to buy the theory of poker, which should be a good read. Not bad from the near $500 rake I've probably paid.

It's an excellent book. As a writer, Sklansky is terribly unimaginative and mechanical, but it's one of the few poker books I've actually found to be of any use. It doesn't talk specifically about any one game (although when it does, it seems to favour stud games), but instead discusses, in detail, a lot of key concepts that span all forms of poker. It's one of the very few poker books that I've gotten anything out of reading, and that doesn't just repeat what's been written in the myriad identikit manuals that are available.

Another Sklansky book I'd recommend is "Hold 'Em Poker for Advanced Players", which is not dis-similar to the book you just ordered, apart from its focus on (surprise, surprise), Hold 'Em.

None of them will ever take the place on my bookshelf that's held by my copy of Super System 2, signed by Doyle Brunson at last year's Irish Open, though. :)

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Oh, and on the subject of bad beats, I had a brilliant one today while I played a couple of SNGs as I was watching last night's 24. I was in the cutoff (blinds 50-100 (10 ante), 7 players remaining, effective stacks 2k), and when the action got to me, there was one MP limper. I have AKos, and I raise to 400. Button and blinds fold, and the limper calls. Now, this was a micro-stakes SNG (found a dollar-odd left over from the last time I withdrew money, and I've been trying to grind it up as a challenge to myself), so the guy's range was pretty much any Ace, any paint, any connectors, one-gappers or suited cards - that's what I was dealing with.

Flop comes AJx rainbow, and he instantly leads out for 100 into the 1020 chip pot. Like I said, I was watching TV, and playing another game at the same time, so I couldn't recall if a precedent had been set for this type of behaviour from him. I raise to 400, he calls.

Turn is a blank, and he checks. I'm positive I have the best hand now (I'm thinking his most likely holdings are any Jack, or a weaker Ace), so I bet (IIRC) another 500. An odd bet size, but I'd noticed something about the micro-stakes players - they seem happier to get rid of their stack by calling it off in chunks over the course of a hand, even though it's patently obvious that they're going to be put to a decision for their whole stack later, than they are to lose their chips in one big all-in call.

River is a Queen, giving a board of AJxxQ and he checks again. Now I put him all-in, and he snap-calls, showing...KING TEN! Ahh, the gutshot. How I love thee.

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Annoying for sure, but understandable since he hit the draw on the flop. It was probably an easy decision for him to chase the gutshot if the stakes were as low as you said. Perhaps should have got it all in either on the flop or the turn if you thought he would go fishing?

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Annoying for sure, but understandable since he hit the draw on the flop. It was probably an easy decision for him to chase the gutshot if the stakes were as low as you said. Perhaps should have got it all in either on the flop or the turn if you thought he would go fishing?

But, at no point was he getting anything approaching sufficient odds to chase the gutshot! On the flop, he'd need to getting about 5/1 to call (assuming he was going to see the river for free), and on the turn, it was closer to 10/1!

I'm sorry, but anybody who chases a gutshot out of position for most of their chips is an imbecile.

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Heh. Nothing like a fish hitting a 10-1 shot on the river, is there. I'm actually quite looking forward to getting ToP, I've not read any sklansky before and think it'll probably help my all round game. The only other poker book I've been reading much of lately is Jeff Hwang's PLO book, which is absolutely excellent, and in fact kicked my transition away from hold em to exclusively omaha cash, which is where most of the online action seems to be at the moment.

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Annoying for sure, but understandable since he hit the draw on the flop. It was probably an easy decision for him to chase the gutshot if the stakes were as low as you said. Perhaps should have got it all in either on the flop or the turn if you thought he would go fishing?

Easy, but very poor, decision. The villain played every single street wrong.

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But, at no point was he getting anything approaching sufficient odds to chase the gutshot! On the flop, he'd need to getting about 5/1 to call (assuming he was going to see the river for free), and on the turn, it was closer to 10/1!

I'm sorry, but anybody who chases a gutshot out of position for most of their chips is an imbecile.

I think you misunderstood my post, i'm in no way denying he's an imbecile for his godawful play there, all i'm saying is you're guaranteed to get fishy players such as these on the SnGs, and ESPECIALLY at the micro-stakes you mentioned. Not much for him to lose except time wasted and a dollar or two, the least you can do against these sort of idiots is put them all in if you're convinced they're on a draw, then they might actually consider folding.

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Look at this filth

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to johan glans [Kc Kd Ac Qd]

DaddyD23: folds

Bunker74: folds

Bassguitaro: calls $0.10

EXTRA-RARE: calls $0.10

EYEOPENER: calls $0.10

MrrFoxx: calls $0.10

Oh Brett: calls $0.10

johan glans: raises $0.70 to $0.80

alicenorbie: folds

Bassguitaro: raises $0.25 to $1.05 and is all-in

EXTRA-RARE: folds

EYEOPENER: folds

MrrFoxx: folds

Oh Brett: calls $0.95

johan glans: calls $0.25

*** FLOP *** [7d Kh 5d]

johan glans: checks

Oh Brett: bets $2

johan glans: raises $3.50 to $5.50

Oh Brett: calls $3.45 and is all-in

Uncalled bet ($0.05) returned to johan glans

*** TURN *** [7d Kh 5d] [Jh]

*** RIVER *** [7d Kh 5d Jh] [6c]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

johan glans: shows [Kc Kd Ac Qd] (three of a kind, Kings)

Oh Brett: shows [8d 4s 7c 5s] (a straight, Four to Eight)

Oh Brett collected $10.35 from side pot

Bassguitaro: shows [Qh 9s 8c 8s] (a straight, Five to Nine)

Bassguitaro collected $3.40 from main pot

johan glans said, "haha"

top set, best flush draw and a turned broadway draw, and I can't win. Madness.

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Do you want to see some really, really crap hands? Only play money, but this player had a huge stack (44x what I had) when I joined the table. In the time I was there, I saw these...

ullTiltPoker Game #10267771661: 250 Play Money Sit & Go (77760249), Table 6 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:37:10 ET - 2009/01/26

Seat 1: Thush (1,930)

Seat 2: mcg43 (1,235)

Seat 3: shuhnay (36,665)

Seat 4: dutchdown (4,400)

Seat 6: I am persephone (5,225)

Seat 7: a priori (6,540)

Seat 8: Wickman21 (1,395), is sitting out

I am persephone posts the small blind of 25

a priori posts the big blind of 50

The button is in seat #4

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Thush [5c 3h]

Wickman21 folds

Thush folds

I am persephone: fu shu

mcg43 folds

shuhnay calls 50

dutchdown calls 50

I am persephone: was mine

I am persephone calls 25

a priori raises to 250

shuhnay has 15 seconds left to act

shuhnay raises to 36,665, and is all in

dutchdown has 15 seconds left to act

I am persephone: fu again

dutchdown folds

I am persephone folds

a priori calls 6,290, and is all in

shuhnay shows [Ts 8c]

a priori shows [9d 9h]

Uncalled bet of 30,125 returned to shuhnay

*** FLOP *** [8s Qd 8d]

*** TURN *** [8s Qd 8d] [3s]

*** RIVER *** [8s Qd 8d 3s] [4c]

I am persephone: k/6

shuhnay shows three of a kind, Eights

a priori shows two pair, Nines and Eights

shuhnay wins the pot (13,180) with three of a kind, Eights

a priori stands up

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 13,180 | Rake 0

Board: [8s Qd 8d 3s 4c]

Seat 1: Thush didn't bet (folded)

Seat 2: mcg43 didn't bet (folded)

Seat 3: shuhnay showed [Ts 8c] and won (13,180) with three of a kind, Eights

Seat 4: dutchdown (button) folded before the Flop

Seat 6: I am persephone (small blind) folded before the Flop

Seat 7: a priori (big blind) showed [9d 9h] and lost with two pair, Nines and Eights

Seat 8: Wickman21 didn't bet (folded)

Two hands later...

FullTiltPoker Game #10267806696: 250 Play Money Sit & Go (77760249), Table 6 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:39:09 ET - 2009/01/26

Seat 1: Thush (1,930)

Seat 2: mcg43 (1,235)

Seat 3: shuhnay (43,355)

Seat 4: dutchdown (4,350)

Seat 6: I am persephone (5,175)

Seat 8: Wickman21 (1,345), is sitting out

Seat 9: rafi 9 (1,440), is sitting out

Wickman21 posts the small blind of 25

rafi 9 posts the big blind of 50

The button is in seat #7

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Thush [Td 4s]

Thush folds

mcg43 raises to 100

shuhnay raises to 2,250

dutchdown folds

I am persephone folds

Wickman21 folds

rafi 9 folds

mcg43 calls 1,135, and is all in

shuhnay shows [9s Qs]

mcg43 shows [Ac Jh]

Uncalled bet of 1,015 returned to shuhnay

*** FLOP *** [4d Tc 3s]

*** TURN *** [4d Tc 3s] [Kd]

*** RIVER *** [4d Tc 3s Kd] [Jd]

shuhnay shows a straight, King high

mcg43 shows a pair of Jacks

shuhnay wins the pot (2,545) with a straight, King high

mcg43 stands up

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 2,545 | Rake 0

Board: [4d Tc 3s Kd Jd]

Seat 1: Thush didn't bet (folded)

Seat 2: mcg43 showed [Ac Jh] and lost with a pair of Jacks

Seat 3: shuhnay showed [9s Qs] and won (2,545) with a straight, King high

Seat 4: dutchdown didn't bet (folded)

Seat 6: I am persephone didn't bet (folded)

Seat 8: Wickman21 (small blind) folded before the Flop

Seat 9: rafi 9 (big blind) folded before the Flop

Three hands later...

FullTiltPoker Game #10267861821: 250 Play Money Sit & Go (77760249), Table 6 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:42:18 ET - 2009/01/26

Seat 1: Thush (1,850)

Seat 2: Sixpac3 (4,105)

Seat 3: shuhnay (45,835)

Seat 4: dutchdown (3,935)

Seat 5: adrzan (7,115)

Seat 6: I am persephone (5,125)

Seat 7: snoofer77 (10,860)

Seat 8: Wickman21 (1,320), is sitting out

Seat 9: rafi 9 (1,365), is sitting out

Sixpac3 posts the small blind of 30

shuhnay posts the big blind of 60

The button is in seat #1

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Thush [Kh 9c]

dutchdown calls 60

adrzan folds

I am persephone calls 60

snoofer77 calls 60

Wickman21 folds

rafi 9 folds

Thush folds

Sixpac3 folds

shuhnay raises to 3,240

dutchdown folds

I am persephone calls 3,180

snoofer77 folds

*** FLOP *** [Qs As 2d]

shuhnay has 15 seconds left to act

shuhnay checks

I am persephone bets 1,885, and is all in

shuhnay calls 1,885

I am persephone shows [5h 5d]

shuhnay shows [5s 9s]

*** TURN *** [Qs As 2d] [2s]

*** RIVER *** [Qs As 2d 2s] [3d]

I am persephone shows two pair, Fives and Twos

shuhnay shows a flush, Ace high

shuhnay wins the pot (10,400) with a flush, Ace high

I am persephone stands up

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 10,400 | Rake 0

Board: [Qs As 2d 2s 3d]

Seat 1: Thush (button) didn't bet (folded)

Seat 2: Sixpac3 (small blind) folded before the Flop

Seat 3: shuhnay (big blind) showed [5s 9s] and won (10,400) with a flush, Ace high

Seat 4: dutchdown folded before the Flop

Seat 5: adrzan didn't bet (folded)

Seat 6: I am persephone showed [5h 5d] and lost with two pair, Fives and Twos

Seat 7: snoofer77 folded before the Flop

Seat 8: Wickman21 didn't bet (folded)

Seat 9: rafi 9 didn't bet (folded)

Five hands later...

FullTiltPoker Game #10267926931: 250 Play Money Sit & Go (77760249), Table 6 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:45:59 ET - 2009/01/26

Seat 1: Thush (1,850)

Seat 2: Sixpac3 (8,270)

Seat 3: shuhnay (54,210)

Seat 7: snoofer77 (14,555)

Seat 8: Wickman21 (1,260), is sitting out

Seat 9: rafi 9 (1,365), is sitting out

Wickman21 posts the small blind of 30

rafi 9 posts the big blind of 60

The button is in seat #7

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Thush [Th 9d]

Thush folds

Sixpac3 calls 60

shuhnay raises to 54,210, and is all in

snoofer77 has 15 seconds left to act

snoofer77 calls 14,555, and is all in

Wickman21 folds

rafi 9 folds

Sixpac3 folds

shuhnay shows [8s 9c]

snoofer77 shows [As Kd]

Uncalled bet of 39,655 returned to shuhnay

*** FLOP *** [8h Ks 9h]

*** TURN *** [8h Ks 9h] [4c]

*** RIVER *** [8h Ks 9h 4c] [7h]

shuhnay shows two pair, Nines and Eights

snoofer77 shows a pair of Kings

shuhnay wins the pot (29,260) with two pair, Nines and Eights

snoofer77 stands up

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 29,260 | Rake 0

Board: [8h Ks 9h 4c 7h]

Seat 1: Thush didn't bet (folded)

Seat 2: Sixpac3 folded before the Flop

Seat 3: shuhnay showed [8s 9c] and won (29,260) with two pair, Nines and Eights

Seat 7: snoofer77 (button) showed [As Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings

Seat 8: Wickman21 (small blind) folded before the Flop

Seat 9: rafi 9 (big blind) folded before the Flop

And then this beauty to knock me out...

FullTiltPoker Game #10268073775: 250 Play Money Sit & Go (77760249), Table 6 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:54:17 ET - 2009/01/26

Seat 1: Thush (2,120)

Seat 2: Sixpac3 (21,050)

Seat 3: shuhnay (58,780)

Seat 8: Wickman21 (1,010), is sitting out

Seat 9: rafi 9 (1,145), is sitting out

Wickman21 posts the small blind of 50

rafi 9 posts the big blind of 100

The button is in seat #3

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Thush [As Kc]

Thush calls 100

Sixpac3 folds

shuhnay has 15 seconds left to act

shuhnay raises to 2,000

Wickman21 folds

rafi 9 folds

Thush raises to 2,120, and is all in

shuhnay calls 120

Thush shows [As Kc]

shuhnay shows [4c 3d]

*** FLOP *** [5h 8s 2h]

*** TURN *** [5h 8s 2h] [Jh]

*** RIVER *** [5h 8s 2h Jh] [6c]

Thush shows Ace King high

shuhnay shows a straight, Six high

shuhnay wins the pot (4,390) with a straight, Six high

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 4,390 | Rake 0

Board: [5h 8s 2h Jh 6c]

Seat 1: Thush showed [As Kc] and lost with Ace King high

Seat 2: Sixpac3 didn't bet (folded)

Seat 3: shuhnay (button) showed [4c 3d] and won (4,390) with a straight, Six high

Seat 8: Wickman21 (small blind) folded before the Flop

Seat 9: rafi 9 (big blind) folded before the Flop

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It's horrible but, to be fair, it was a play money SNG. Those things are great tilt relief, I used to use them back before I got my own tilt sorted out.

Those guys that just shove every hand (even in real money SNGs) are brilliant, though. And every so often, you'll run into one that shoves every hand regardless of any shoves in front of them. :(

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It's horrible but, to be fair, it was a play money SNG. Those things are great tilt relief, I used to use them back before I got my own tilt sorted out.

Those guys that just shove every hand (even in real money SNGs) are brilliant, though. And every so often, you'll run into one that shoves every hand regardless of any shoves in front of them. :(

I don't mind the push with play money. It was more the run of cards he got. I don't think I've seen anything like as lucky a run in such a short space of time.

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I don't know if any of you have been following the million dollar aussie millions cash game, but patrik antonious took an utterly filthy beat in one hand there. He got it all in on the flop with a pretty monster draw, with a 16 card straight draw and a flush draw, and he was called by a pair of aces with pocket queens and a jack for backup, no flush redraw, making antonius a 2.1 favourite pretty much. they ran the turn and river 4 times, and antonius lost all 4, which happens less than 1% of the time.

http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/20...cash-game/day1/

Midway down that page. I think that this is why I tilt so hard at omaha sometimes.

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I don't know if any of you have been following the million dollar aussie millions cash game, but patrik antonious took an utterly filthy beat in one hand there. He got it all in on the flop with a pretty monster draw, with a 16 card straight draw and a flush draw, and he was called by a pair of aces with pocket queens and a jack for backup, no flush redraw, making antonius a 2.1 favourite pretty much. they ran the turn and river 4 times, and antonius lost all 4, which happens less than 1% of the time.

http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/20...cash-game/day1/

Midway down that page. I think that this is why I tilt so hard at omaha sometimes.

*vomit*

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He absolutely brutalised durrr in the heads up session that they had before the main game, as well.

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Jude Law in the famous poker scene from Steven Spielberg's "A.I.: Artificial Intelligence", 2001.

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Durrr, behind a metal bar, yesterday.

*shudder*

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He's quite terrifying really, isn't he? I'm quite looking forward to actually watching some of his playes on HSP/PAD, he's got such a unique style. I don't fancy his chances in this million dollar challenge he issued a while ago, if only because he's running so horribly and has starting playing quite tight/passive as a consequence.

the other highlight from the aussie millions game was phil laak donking off a 200k buying to AA with his AKo all in preflop. Well played.

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He's quite terrifying really, isn't he? I'm quite looking forward to actually watching some of his playes on HSP/PAD, he's got such a unique style. I don't fancy his chances in this million dollar challenge he issued a while ago, if only because he's running so horribly and has starting playing quite tight/passive as a consequence.

the other highlight from the aussie millions game was phil laak donking off a 200k buying to AA with his AKo all in preflop. Well played.

Dwan/Hellmuth/Devilfish etc are all in the Poker Premier league tonight at 12:05AM. Every week on CH4 or CH5 possibly.

Well worth watching for Dwans crazy moves that piss Hellmuth off each time

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aaaaaaaaaargh

Dealt to johan glans [Qd Jh Qc Kh]

matflasch: folds

finalvision: calls $0.10

johan glans: raises $0.30 to $0.40

AlabamaPhil: folds

cedargap: folds

bogeyman90: calls $0.40

rajmando1: calls $0.35

EYEOPENER: folds

finalvision: calls $0.30

*** FLOP *** [Qh 6c Js]

rajmando1: checks

finalvision: bets $1.65

johan glans: raises $4.95 to $6.60

bogeyman90: folds

rajmando1: folds

finalvision: raises $3 to $9.60 and is all-in

johan glans: calls $3

*** TURN *** [Qh 6c Js] [2c]

*** RIVER *** [Qh 6c Js 2c] [6s]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

finalvision: shows [6h Ts 7d 6d] (four of a kind, Sixes)

johan glans: mucks hand

finalvision collected $19.90 from pot

This is forgiveable in holdem, but in omaha bottom set is the best way to lost money that I know of. thing is, about 30 seconds before this i'd had another top set, all in on the flop, beaten by a flush draw. Omaha can be so brutal

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Two nice ones from tonight. Couple of tourneys...

HAND 1:

Seat 1: Ahtush (3,290), is sitting out

Seat 2: ovoman (1,365)

Seat 3: Christz (3,395)

Seat 4: Acedboom (785)

Seat 5: feierboy (1,310)

Seat 6: Miss Am B Ent (2,415)

Seat 7: referman4444 (1,435)

Seat 8: Thush (1,395)

Seat 9: Clown Hi Prince (1,420)

Clown Hi Prince posts the small blind of 25

Ahtush posts the big blind of 50

The button is in seat #8

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Thush [As Ah]

ovoman folds

Christz calls 50

Acedboom calls 50

Ahtush has returned

feierboy has 15 seconds left to act

feierboy folds

Miss Am B Ent folds

referman4444 folds

Thush raises to 350 -------------- raising 7xBB, seems to be a decent amount

Clown Hi Prince folds

Ahtush has 15 seconds left to act

Ahtush calls 300

Christz calls 300

Acedboom folds

*** FLOP *** [9c 7s 8d]

Ahtush bets 1,125

Christz raises to 3,045, and is all in

Thush calls 1,045, and is all in

Ahtush calls 1,815, and is all in

Christz shows [Th Jc] ------------------ FFS, 7xBB

Thush shows [As Ah]

Ahtush shows [9s 7h] ------------------- Not content for the flop to hit one of my opponents, it hits both

Uncalled bet of 105 returned to Christz

*** TURN *** [9c 7s 8d] [Qd]

*** RIVER *** [9c 7s 8d Qd] [Js]

Christz shows a straight, Queen high

Ahtush shows two pair, Nines and Sevens

Christz wins the side pot (3,790) with a straight, Queen high

Thush shows a pair of Aces

Christz wins the main pot (4,260) with a straight, Queen high

Thush stands up

Ahtush stands up

HAND 2:

Seat 1: YOCHIPS (32,008)

Seat 3: Thush (12,060)

Seat 4: Slithity Sloth (34,170)

Seat 6: Goate x (7,033)

Seat 7: goldendomer88 (12,013)

Seat 8: kOiPhiSh (971), is sitting out

Seat 9: NZ maddogg (36,745)

Goate x posts the small blind of 500

goldendomer88 posts the big blind of 1,000

The button is in seat #4

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Thush [Qh Ad]

kOiPhiSh folds

NZ maddogg folds

Slithity Sloth: nice

YOCHIPS folds

Thush calls 1,000 ------------- Calling here because Sloth was raising all-in for a number of hands just before this

Slithity Sloth has 15 seconds left to act

Slithity Sloth calls 1,000

Goate x folds

goldendomer88 raises to 4,500

Thush calls 3,500

Slithity Sloth folds

*** FLOP *** [Ah 3h Tc]

goldendomer88 bets 7,513, and is all in

Thush calls 7,513

goldendomer88 shows [7h 7c]

Thush shows [Qh Ad]

*** TURN *** [Ah 3h Tc] [7d] ---------------------- FFS

*** RIVER *** [Ah 3h Tc 7d] [3c]

goldendomer88 shows a full house, Sevens full of Threes

Thush shows two pair, Aces and Threes

goldendomer88 wins the pot (25,526) with a full house, Sevens full of Threes

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In all fairness the first one of those isn't really a bad beat at all, since you put most of your money in the flop drawing almost completely dead. With that action on that flop, the least I'd expect to see getting it in would be 2 pair. I mean I really don't see what you can be beating on that flop with a bet and a raise into the pre flop raiser.

As for the 2nd hand, you can't really call preflop with only 12bb behind, it's either push or fold there, since he'll presumably shove his entire range on the flop, meaning you can't continue if you don't hit. It seems that you were doomed whatever, though. Unlucky.

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