Destiny: FIN

[carlospie]

I hate destiny

[Oz]

Started an alt on this

I hate destiny

[carlospie]

My reason is this.

Everyone judges you on your light level. To increase past 305 ish you need end game raid content. To get this is like a massive fucking expedition using shit LFG groups. It would be nice if you had a spare hour to just have some sort of ingame search function. Even finding s black spindle group is a ball ache. When you find a group it's so hard to beat a bloody boss you spend three hours wiping

The whole light concept is shit. It's what kills end game. You get a great new gun, but then have to use another great fun to make it usable. The other great guns drop At such a shit rate this makes the system fail. In fact the drop rate full stop sucks balls. Iv done oryx three times, once got a good gun. It's just not right. Any other online game drip feeds you new gear constantly. Even if it's just a new emblem or ship.

There is no single player content at the end, you either get a group or that's it. Even trying to get s exotic sword is harder than going to mount doom.

Every task is such a grind fest too. 25 p v p sword kills? 45 calcified frags.

[Oz]

Carlospie we need two more for the raid on Tuesday in the online folder (w/ Stebbo). Let us know. We are experienced raiders. I think we can help out. You will like it again for a bit and then hate it again. But that's the circle.

[ph0rce]

My reason is this.

Everyone judges you on your light level. To increase past 305 ish you need end game raid content. To get this is like a massive fucking expedition using shit LFG groups. It would be nice if you had a spare hour to just have some sort of ingame search function. Even finding s black spindle group is a ball ache. When you find a group it's so hard to beat a bloody boss you spend three hours wiping

The whole light concept is shit. It's what kills end game. You get a great new gun, but then have to use another great fun to make it usable. The other great guns drop At such a shit rate this makes the system fail. In fact the drop rate full stop sucks balls. Iv done oryx three times, once got a good gun. It's just not right. Any other online game drip feeds you new gear constantly. Even if it's just a new emblem or ship.

There is no single player content at the end, you either get a group or that's it. Even trying to get s exotic sword is harder than going to mount doom.

Every task is such a grind fest too. 25 p v p sword kills? 45 calcified frags.

The whole game is geared around multiplayer though, either Crucible or Strikes / Raids, in fact you run out of single player content way before you can actually access the end-game stuff. You can match-make on Strikes & entry level PoE, plus you've got the Daily mission so there's plenty you can do as a single player.

None of it however, is a patch on raiding, particularly once you get a good group going as the banter is half ( and if Oryx fucks you over with shards, then all ) of the fun.

I'm at the stage now where I'm just playing the Hard Raid up to the Daughters once a week, and then perhaps some ToO ( if I'm allowed ) as there's nothing else to work towards.

I would happily run some VoG or Crota raids though, if there was enough interest.

In fact, I actually need to kill old Atheon for the next step of the Exotic quest so if anyone else is interested, speak up.

EDIT

The fragments are easy, the guide to get the ones lying around ( which is about 23 IIRC ) can be done in twenty minutes or so & you've probably picked up a good few more just by playing the game or from the Court.

Light level isn't everything, I played some ToO last night with Lim & Fin with my 296 Warlock & we ended up 6-2 by the time we stopped. Granted I was a bit squishy & couldn't survive a one-on-one but it just forces you to play a bit more cautiously which is no bad thing.

[Oz]

I have a couple of steps to do before Atheon. But count me in if you are doing that. He needs a piece of my sleeper stimulant. If you know what I mean. Just let me know when.

[KYUSS]

My reason is this.

Everyone judges you on your light level. To increase past 305 ish you need end game raid content. To get this is like a massive fucking expedition using shit LFG groups. It would be nice if you had a spare hour to just have some sort of ingame search function. Even finding s black spindle group is a ball ache. When you find a group it's so hard to beat a bloody boss you spend three hours wiping

The whole light concept is shit. It's what kills end game. You get a great new gun, but then have to use another great fun to make it usable. The other great guns drop At such a shit rate this makes the system fail. In fact the drop rate full stop sucks balls. Iv done oryx three times, once got a good gun. It's just not right. Any other online game drip feeds you new gear constantly. Even if it's just a new emblem or ship.

There is no single player content at the end, you either get a group or that's it. Even trying to get s exotic sword is harder than going to mount doom.

Every task is such a grind fest too. 25 p v p sword kills? 45 calcified frags.

I need to do black spindle too.

The 25 PvP sword kills is actually pretty easy if you go invisible bladedancer and hilt them to death.

I want to complete KF normal but don't have a raid group.

I've never done Crota, although that probably won't help with levelling.

I've also never done ToO, but I'm now on a weekend only shift so that's gonna be hard to fit that in.

[mikeyl]

My reason is this.

Everyone judges you on your light level. To increase past 305 ish you need end game raid content. To get this is like a massive fucking expedition using shit LFG groups. It would be nice if you had a spare hour to just have some sort of ingame search function. Even finding s black spindle group is a ball ache. When you find a group it's so hard to beat a bloody boss you spend three hours wiping

The whole light concept is shit. It's what kills end game. You get a great new gun, but then have to use another great fun to make it usable. The other great guns drop At such a shit rate this makes the system fail. In fact the drop rate full stop sucks balls. Iv done oryx three times, once got a good gun. It's just not right. Any other online game drip feeds you new gear constantly. Even if it's just a new emblem or ship.

There is no single player content at the end, you either get a group or that's it. Even trying to get s exotic sword is harder than going to mount doom.

Every task is such a grind fest too. 25 p v p sword kills? 45 calcified frags.

I feel like I've let you and the LFG redneck down my not staying alive enough through all of the Warpriest encounter.

Kyuss, join our group! Guaranteed no-prizes and dying on the same boss for hours on end too. Also up for the old raids if there's any going

[carlospie]

No mikey not you at all, it just seems like destiny requires more time actually finding a group than you spend playing it.

It's a shame really I like the game, I just feel like even the developers have no idea where it's heading, it's neither an amazing fps, loot finder or MMO, but a mish mash that excels in no areas.

Plus there's fuck all to buy with legendary marks!

I just did my 25 sword kills on free for all, felt like a tramp hiding and smashing people with the hilt

[ph0rce]

It's a pretty amazing FPS, one of the most satisfying ones out there in terms of how everything feels & that's one of the key reasons most of us still play I think.

It does the basics very, very well, just going out on patrol & popping some head shots is still fun, even if there's nothing to gain from it, loot-wise.

Problem now is TTK has been out for so long that most of us have hit the soft cap & only Hard Raid is going to raise our level ( if you get the drops ) so you end up losing interest.

Still, it was a fantastic couple of months while it lasted, just need to see what they are going to do next as it will need to be something a little better than a challenge mode to bring people back.

[mechamonkey]

I've played 90% of the game solo or via LFG (since launch) due to unsociable hours, if I can make progress (3 chars 305+) anyone can, I've done everything in the game bar Hard Mode KF and ToO, I've never run out of things to do in all that time.

[max renn]

Would it really break the game if there was a server list for those wanting to raid but don't have the friends to do it? (Like me, I seem to have rabies or something.)

[ph0rce]

All of you posting about no friends to raid, are posting on the forum, in the very thread filled with players who are playing Destiny, most of who you would probably find are quite happy to team up to play the game....

[Soi]

Would it really break the game if there was a server list for those wanting to raid but don't have the friends to do it? (Like me, I seem to have rabies or something.)

You mean like the many LFG sites?

A couple of posts back carlospie complained about shit LFG groups. My personal experience of LFG groups has been ok (I've not used them much to be fair), but I've heard horror stories (e.g. fireteam leaders booting players seconds before an Oryx kill to invite their mate in).

If Bungie has their own LFG, Bungie would take a lot of heat, as they would be responsible. In my view, they have taken a clear decision that they want players to use places like this to find people to play with, where shitty behavior is unlikely to happen. They know that if the raids had matchmaking or even built in LFG, the experience would be worse.

[max renn]

All of you posting about no friends to raid, are posting on the forum, in the very thread filled with players who are playing Destiny, most of who you would probably find are quite happy to team up to play the game....

Aye but it's all about timing. I want to be able to team up when it's good for me (kids, wife etc) It's really hard to do that at the moment. Not bitching just an observation.

[ph0rce]

You mean like the many LFG sites?

A couple of posts back carlospie complained about shit LFG groups. My personal experience of LFG groups has been ok (I've not used them much to be fair), but I've heard horror stories (e.g. fireteam leaders booting players seconds before an Oryx kill to invite their mate in).

If Bungie has their own LFG, Bungie would take a lot of heat, as they would be responsible. In my view, they have taken a clear decision that they want players to use places like this to find people to play with, where shitty behavior is unlikely to happen. They know that if the raids had matchmaking or even built in LFG, the experience would be worse.

Yeah, as soon as you give someone control of a party full of random people, you'll find all sorts of shitty stuff will happen, like booting before drops, etc.

That's just how some people behave, and the backlash towards Bungie from people being kicked out of a raid right before the end would be way worse than them not allowing matchmaking.

They would have pretty much no control, unless they locked fire teams once full to prevent that but then you'd be stuck if someone quit out, etc.

Aye but it's all about timing. I want to be able to team up when it's good for me (kids, wife etc) It's really hard to do that at the moment. Not bitching just an observation.

Start a thread, with time / date to suit you & see how many takers you get?

[Varnsen]

If you can't get a raid group from here, i've found this site to be reliable for finding actually nice cool people to raid/nightfall with;

the100.io

the cool thing is you tell the site what hours you can play, if you're after a serious or casual group and it finds groups that match.

Also the games are scheduled so you can even post in your group or to the whole site, 'Kings Fall Normal at 7pm on Tuesday' and people sign up. There's tons of groups on there who have sherpas as well and even specifically schedule raids for people who haven't done them.

So yeah, I'd recommend it if you've not had any luck on here.

[carlospie]

I hate to carry this on but in my opinion It's just such a basic function for a game like this. LFG. It's a requirement of games of this kind. Never mind all this shit bungie would get flack, it's a shambles this game has nothing of the sort. All you would do is add a flag to your character, saying LFG normal or hard. It then finds you players. Just like it manages to do fine for strikes or arena.

LFG works fine in wow, ff14 etc and some raids on that are far more complicated

If people didn't like it they could use alternatives. But when your like me and get an hour most evenings you just want to get on with it quite frankly

Apparently on next years cod you have to play one vs twelve team death match unless you use cod LFG and find 11 more players to join you in a game.

[mechamonkey]

Would you want to do a matchmade raid with people that drop in for a kill then leave, or AFK, or have no mics, or just play shit down the mic to troll, or have really really bad gear (you can bet everyone would queue with the absolute bare minimum it let them in with) or have no idea whatsoever about the strategy etc?

Although to be honest, they may as well put in an optional LFG switch, it would definitely be a good option for some.

[Oz]

Or wait for Oz to get to heavy before popping it

I will be accepting apologies over here. Thanks in advance.

[Hexx]

Is that the Trials Auto Rifle? We got absolutely destroyed by people wielding it over the weekend (we were, amazingly for us, 6-0 at one point).

I'm tempted to give sniping a try with Trials rifle...Seems good quick fire, good recoil and aiming

[Oz]

Yes it is! Beast! Also frees up that exotic slot for Truth!

[carlospie]

Would you want to do a matchmade raid with people that drop in for a kill then leave, or AFK, or have no mics, or just play shit down the mic to troll, or have really really bad gear (you can bet everyone would queue with the absolute bare minimum it let them in with) or have no idea whatsoever about the strategy etc?

Although to be honest, they may as well put in an optional LFG switch, it would definitely be a good option for some.

I would.

If I felt like a full four hour sesh is organise it, if I fancy a punt at war priest pre reset sure I'd go pug. A simple demon souls style ranking system would suffice, rate your team mates etc

[Uncle Mike]

Having spent some time using the in-game matchmaking in GTA Online to try the Heists, I really understand now why Destiny doesn't have the same for Raiding. It's just a horrible experience.

[PaB]

Optional switch for random would be fine. But fuck using it. Raids needs communication. One of the joys of Raid is learning and improving as a team. Sure jump in with a load of randoms that already know how to do it to grind out gear, but you should deffo put the effort in the getting 6 like minded people together from here. That's what our team did and we haven't looked back since. Punkmoon actually went looking though the online folder and searched out people that had expressed an interest in doing the Raid and brought us all together.

And now we are probably the finest collection of Anglo-Scots, borderline alcoholic, trainer obsessed Destiny players in the country. ( i realise that''s quite a narrow criteria)

[pinholestar]

Maybe I've just been incredibly fortunate but in a year of playing Destiny on the 360 I've very frequently used LFG sites for raids & can count the bad experiences on one hand. Maybe us dirty 360 peasants scrabbling around in the dirt of the last generation are more salt-of-the-Earth types, who knows?

Sometimes it can take a while to fill up a fireteam & there will always, always be that one guy who wants to be the leader & order everyone else around (although this is often beneficial if they actually know what they're talking about) but not one week have I ever failed to complete a raid if I set out to do so. I was kicked at Atheon once & another time had some incompetent idiot blame me for his constant dying but I really struggle to recall any other bad experiences. Pretty much everyone I randomly join with just wants to get the job done & have a bit of a chat about the game as they're doing it. You get the odd screeching kid or person who takes it all way too fucking seriously but on the whole I just don't recognise all these horror stories that seem to be attached to the LFG experience. *shrugs*

The reddit fireteams sub & destinylfg.net have served me incredibly well & although Bungie really should have implemented something along those lines within the game itself I can see the arguments as to why they may have been slightly reticent in explaining their reasons for not having done so. Random pick-up-groups of people just flung together without any kind of preliminary vetting beforehand just wouldn't work for the raids, I'm quite certain. It would be a clusterfuck of AFKers & trolls, but a well-worded LFG post with a few reasonable criteria for joining seems to get the job done, in my experience.

Raiding with a group of familiar friends is definitely the way to go, but having to rely on strangers needn't be a barrier. It's often a good way to make new Destiny buddies in fact.

[dreamylittledream]

Aye but it's all about timing. I want to be able to team up when it's good for me (kids, wife etc) It's really hard to do that at the moment. Not bitching just an observation.

Yeah this - also its hard to commit the hours needed to run the raids for a group that don't really know what they are doing - and perhaps understandably its hard to get people to hold your hand through a raid when you struggle to commit to a time (and its rarely going to be much before 10:30pm start).

I'm 303 light, and committed a scary amount of time to the game but I've only completed VoG once (and never all in one go) and never managed to even get onto to Crota or Kings Fall (well almost - dived in and straight out of a forum Oryx attempt - starting with the boss not the way to win friends lol).

LFG has been fine for Nightfalls and quest stuff but the demands for raids tend to be silly.

There really should be an in game solution - wouldn't solve all the issues but would mean those of us who struggle to schedule could at least experience some of the content.

[dreamylittledream]

Maybe I've just been incredibly fortunate but in a year of playing Destiny on the 360 I've very frequently used LFG sites for raids & can count the bad experiences on one hand. Maybe us dirty 360 peasants scrabbling around in the dirt of the last generation are more salt-of-the-Earth types, who knows?

There may well be something in this - LFG on PS3 tended to be a nicer playing experience than on PS4 - although far fewer mics and fewer players could make it a struggle

[carlospie]

Probs because you always played with the only other 5 version owners!

[RareBirds]

Our raid team of drunks downed WarPriest on heroic for the first time this evening - think everyone got loot too!