Destiny: FIN

[carlospie]

I agree. It's also easier to explain the game over voice chat as you play rather than here.

Some chaps off here took me sight seeing to crota last night. We were beaten by some uber boss, the demon bridge or something ? Wipe after wipe!

[mechamonkey]

I think it's a real shame that Bungie have effectively abandoned the prior two raids, the situation is that newcomers are all scrambling over themselves to get to max level to do the new raid immediately, the pacing is all off and new players are missing out on some amazing times simply because the gear isn't relevant and there's no incentive or mechanism for them to go near older content other than curiosity.

Most players are like ten posts into the thread and it's "I want to do Kings Fall" or top level content and who can blame them, it's the best part of the game with the most immediate results.

I'm not trying to be mean to newcomers here, I'm trying to point out that there's great unused swathes of game that new players probably won't ever get to experience as originally intended or in any remotely challenging way other than being given a whistlestop tour through.

[mikeyl]

True, but the first time I killed Crota was when I was invited over to witness the LAN disconnection glitch.

For me, it's quite fun strolling though previously tiresome or overwhelming sections just lobbing hammers at everyone. You kinda get some schooling on the mechanics without any pressure now. Does 3 of Coins deliver anything decent from them?

[scottcr]

I know it's been said in this thread a hundred times before, but... you really need to buddy up and do some stuff in a group with proper comms, Scott. Same goes for anyone else trying the game out or in its relatively early stages (by which I mean up to first raid level, which is now much lower than heroic strike level (!)). Like most MMOs (or pseudo-MMOs, whatever), all these things become a thousand times clearer and more fun in a group. Plus, the best and most rewarding content is only really doable in the non-matchmade fireteams.

Just bite the bullet and do it.

Yeap - I'm buddying up tonight with a mate. I'm just a bit hesitant on some things because, mental as I am, I really enjoy the single player content. I went adventuring with a mate who's level 40 just after getting the game and had a good chunk of the early game spoiled for me as he blasted through story quests and I missed a lot of the cool encounters and bosses that should've been a challenge to me at the time. So, I'm really going through the single player story stuff by myself just now - and then getting in on raids and stuff. I just reached level 37 now, so I'm going to team up and go back and do some of the earlier stuff. I'm not too fussed on gear not being that great, I just want to play through the levels and set pieces.

I've just set my playstation clan to be Teh Fun Police now - so hopefully that'll help me get into games.

[scottcr]

The game doesn't really do a good job of telling you what you can do and when... some people might like that, but I'm not as big a fan of searching online to find out what on earth these mysterious coin things are for etc...

Don't get me wrong though - I'm loving this. Brilliant game.

[DCHAMPX]

[Hexx]

Your mate sounds like a bit of a dick. (Possibly unintentional though!)

It can be fun to team up - but you have to bear in mind people's skill and gear differences, and also that they haven't seen stuff before.

There's a couple recently that have dinged 40 (and I'm a relatively newbie myself) and when we've played with them always been careful to step back (in one story mission just followed behind them), what to explain, when to be quiet, when to give gentle hints, when to go in all guns blazing and when to hold fire unless they need help. And (hopefully) they'll tell me/us to slow down if too much.

(And that's what people did for me when I hit 40 as well)

[HarryBizzle]

what sort of movement do you really like in an fps? give us an example. actually keen to understand this feedback. it's interesting because I find the way this game moves better than perfect.

So I'm aware there's a sprint, which is fine, but other than that at the moment all I can do is jump once.

I haven't got a double jump. I'd quite like a jetpack boost/slide thing like in Halo 5, to be honest.

I'm only level 2 or 3, so can understand that I probably haven't unlocked the full moveset but at the moment it's all very slow and dull and I'm just walking around very slowly either punching people to death in one hit or shooting them while wading through treacle.

I'm playing a Titan.

[LiMuBai]

So I'm aware there's a sprint, which is fine, but other than that at the moment all I can do is jump once.

I haven't got a double jump. I'd quite like a jetpack boost/slide thing like in Halo 5, to be honest.

I'm only level 2 or 3, so can understand that I probably haven't unlocked the full moveset but at the moment it's all very slow and dull and I'm just walking around very slowly either punching people to death in one hit or shooting them while wading through treacle.

I'm playing a Titan.

Destiny > Halo 5 ????

Titan > Hunter > Warlock ????????????

[Lyrical Donut]

So I'm aware there's a sprint, which is fine, but other than that at the moment all I can do is jump once.

I haven't got a double jump. I'd quite like a jetpack boost/slide thing like in Halo 5, to be honest.

I'm only level 2 or 3, so can understand that I probably haven't unlocked the full moveset but at the moment it's all very slow and dull and I'm just walking around very slowly either punching people to death in one hit or shooting them while wading through treacle.

I'm playing a Titan.

Make sure you're picking up your bounties from the Bounty Tracker every time you play. Complete as many as you can, it'll help level up your subclass faster. They refresh every day. Once you've got the Increased Control jump unlocked you'll be scootin' about much like you do in Halo 5.

Listen to LiMuBai, ignore LeChuck

[wretcherd]

A trivial thing, but why does Eva let you buy shaders you already have?

[Hexx]

I don't know - it's a bit confusing and clunky.

I bought the Jester one yesterday though. I'm now a glorious purple warlock (inc purple powers, purple emblem and purple speeder)

Purple

[carlospie]

Why isn't there a simple LFG ingame search. This would let you find parties for raids and also let you do old content.

Simple, LFG crota, you get out in a waiting list until 5 more sign up.

Every MMO ever has this feature

[RareBirds]

We've mused on it before. I think it's because the current system needs very little policing on their part.

The more in game communication there is, the more they're responsible for.

[Shimmyhill]

Why isn't there a simple LFG ingame search. This would let you find parties for raids and also let you do old content.

Simple, LFG crota, you get out in a waiting list until 5 more sign up.

Every MMO ever has this feature

Its not an MMO...

[KYUSS]

Why isn't there a simple LFG ingame search. This would let you find parties for raids and also let you do old content.

Simple, LFG crota, you get out in a waiting list until 5 more sign up.

Every MMO ever has this feature

Do you want to do Crota?

I've never done it before.

His dad's a pussy btw.

[Oz]

I know it's been said in this thread a hundred times before, but... you really need to buddy up and do some stuff in a group with proper comms, Scott. Same goes for anyone else trying the game out or in its relatively early stages (by which I mean up to first raid level, which is now much lower than heroic strike level (!)). Like most MMOs (or pseudo-MMOs, whatever), all these things become a thousand times clearer and more fun in a group. Plus, the best and most rewarding content is only really doable in the non-matchmade fireteams.

Just bite the bullet and do it.

your logic is sound. i would like to endorse this message. maybe we should all sign this petition to scott. internet petitions always work.

[LiMuBai]

Why isn't there a simple LFG ingame search. This would let you find parties for raids and also let you do old content.

Simple, LFG crota, you get out in a waiting list until 5 more sign up.

Every MMO ever has this feature

Destiny does have that. It's called matchmaking. Which they very purposely took out for raids.

[Moodmon]

The best sparrows have a green contrail.

You appeared to have spelt red incorrectly. It's okay, probably all that space magic affecting your eyes. Don't worry, I am kind of medically qualified. I have just the tool to him fix them. Now where did I put my hammer?

As far as raid matchmaking goes, I can completely understand why they push you to forming groups yourself. You absolutely need to have the communication and teamwork down, which would be hard with randoms. Then again you have the difficulty of arranging a group. Would be a terrible shame if something Fallout related decimated raid groups and then would need relatively experienced people to fill in.

Pick me God dammit

I just don't see why the option of matchmaking isn't there. No reason at all it isn't there aside from Bungie decided it. See also nightfalls, Osiris and Prison of Elders at later levels. I can see why teaming with randoms would be hell, but surely that should be our choice, not theirs.

I mean how many LFG sites are there for joining raids and suchlike? If you have to have external sites to cover a pretty basic function in a multiplayer game, you done messed up. Next you will tell me the grimoire isn't accessible in game.

[Shimmyhill]

I've played many a strike with randoms, not having matchmaking in Raids, high end anything is about the best decision Bungie made in the game.

Destiny (and Bungie) has such an awesome community that it would be odd for Bungie to put something in the game that will ruin it where there are community options that take care of it anyway and Bungie can't be blamed for any crap.

I genuinely think making you work to get in a team be it friends or via a site like LFG/forums will get you a better quality of player and experience - I can only imagine people who are asking for in game match making for the skilled areas of the game just haven't ever played any game in co op with randoms let alone Destiny, just look at all the updates over the year to try and combat people being dicks in matchmade stuff for proof.

[Gorf King]

Raids would work out terribly the majority of the time with matchmaking - they'd be a frustrating mess, with people quitting, being booted, not doing their jobs, not communicating (or sometimes not being able to communicate). I'm absolutely convinced of it. But why not give people the option anyway? Because a lot more people playing raids would then not enjoy them. They'd be terrible experiences. They'd generate complaints. The general perception of the content would suffer. There'd be more negative feedback for Bungie to deal with. I think it's better that fewer people play them and rate them more highly, than more people do and they're viewed in a worse light.

And if you're not able to work hard enough to get a raid group together, I doubt you'll be committed enough to make a good raid team member in any case (or you may have issues communicating and working with others, which would also be a problem). Does LFG not disprove this theory? Well, no: LFG is not just simple automatic matchmaking. And LFG exists in any case, so if that works well enough, why should Bungie take on board the problem - if it is one - when it's already been solved? I think the absurdity of some LFG groups ('Must be light level 310 and have Touch of Malice' on ads to do normal KF runs - from people who are themselves under 300 and raid virgins wanting an easy ride) is just a hint of the nightmares that'd accompany matchmade raiding. That curious marriage of expectation accompanied by lack of commitment or responsibility to the group.

The game's better without it.

[Mr Ben]

I've met some gret randoms. Should be up to us really imo.

Edit: I should say for all non raid content, rather than raids, though everyone I've met in LFG for raids have been fine.

[Gorf King]

/boot

[carlospie]

Do you want to do Crota?

I've never done it before.

His dad's a pussy btw.

Yup!

[Mr Ben]

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I did edit my message mind.

[Bonzai1888]

I dont get people, why would it be an issue just having the option? Whats the defference from that and LFG?

Nobody would force a team of 6 to split up, say 3 on that raid, 2 on that, 1 over there... You go in with a team of 6, sorted, people that cant get a raid team together, let them try their luck with matchmaking, let them have the experience of it, as I said before, they may end up making friends, getting a regular fireteam together, what harm would it do.

Fuck, I could get up at 9am tomorrow, jump into a normal raid to get an alt started, instead of hoping some other raid team needs a sub at midnight or summat.

Of course I could try an hour trying to sort an LFG match in the morning before getting frustrated and kicking the cat instead. *

* I dont have a cat.

[Shimmyhill]

I've met some gret randoms. Should be up to us really imo.

Edit: I should say for all non raid content, rather than raids, though everyone I've met in LFG for raids have been fine.

You make those randoms friends, what about the other 90% of people you meet - they are the problem not the few decent that you meet and actually play with, I added a couple of people from Court the other day as they were good and jumped into comms etc - they are most definitely the exception tho.

I forget the name but that strike no one it seems likes doing, black garden one that was needed for something a while back - 3 times entered that one and immediately at least one player quit, I ended up soloing it while the asshat that stayed did fuck all and got the same reward as me.

Its the strike experience not the one off court that would represent matchmake raiding and high level stuff

[Bonzai1888]

You make those randoms friends, what about the other 90% of people you meet - they are the problem not the few decent that you meet and actually play with, I added a couple of people from Court the other day as they were good and jumped into comms etc - they are most definitely the exception tho.

I forget the name but that strike no one it seems likes doing, black garden one that was needed for something a while back - 3 times entered that one and immediately at least one player quit, I ended up soloing it while the asshat that stayed did fuck all and got the same reward as me.

Its the strike experience not the one off court that would represent matchmake raiding and high level stuff

Well, difference there its a strike they didnt want to play, you matchmake into a raid, you kinda know what you are getting.

[Lyrical Donut]

Saw a thread on reddit the other day where a guy had joined an LFG KF. The fireteam leader decided to boot him right after Oryx went down and before he could get to the chest. So that's nice.

I've even seen randoms in a CoO session kick off a Rune and cancel it. And they proceeded to do it over and over for every other Rune. Until we quit out, of course.

On the other hand, we did use LFG the other week and got someone who was very helpful for HM KF.

Basically, there are some proper bellends about. They're the minority, but they're still a thing.

[Shimmyhill]

I dont get people, why would it be an issue just having the option? Whats the defference from that and LFG?

Nobody would force a team of 6 to split up, say 3 on that raid, 2 on that, 1 over there... You go in with a team of 6, sorted, people that cant get a raid team together, let them try their luck with matchmaking, let them have the experience of it, as I said before, they may end up making friends, getting a regular fireteam together, what harm would it do.

Fuck, I could get up at 9am tomorrow, jump into a normal raid to get an alt started, instead of hoping some other raid team needs a sub at midnight or summat.

Of course I could try an hour trying to sort an LFG match in the morning before getting frustrated and kicking the cat instead. *

* I dont have a cat.

You can do that now and generally get people who actually want to raid to do it with, have used LFG a fair bit over the year and always had a good experience - our raid team was one short to begin with and we recruited a top chap from LFG and now have people from here who jump in at the odd times I play - ever since I made the effort to Raid I have never had an issue getting a team together at any time of the day and have never had a bad experience of a raid.

Basically LFG has been amazing.

Matchmaking has been shit far more often than not and there is the issue, in content that can be solo'd matchmaking has proven to be sub par - why would it suddenly be better for content that does require team play??