Destiny: FIN

[Shimmyhill]

Was going to bed at midnight but we decided to do the story mode for third characters and well as we had done it may as well do PoE - Another Icebreaker, 3rd I have now - bloody game is taking the piss with guns this week!

But in doing all that I had scraped together another 23 motes, I really wanted to get the Titan HoW helmet and much discussion was had about what character to decrypt it on so I went with the just used for PoE hunter.....

[Banjaxed]

Really enjoyed finally getting Level 34 cleared. Cheers Gorf and Ben. Glad that clip is only 30 seconds long, spent most of that fight as "Guardian down"!! (Stupid boost jump!!)

[Scruff]

I really like the ToO and strongly disagree that you need to be at least 33 to compete. I completed them in a 32 (me) 32 and 33 team and we only lost one round to (strangely enough a team at the same levels as us) beat several same clan full 34 teams and lost the other round to me getting a baboon error ( seriously Bungie, if you're going to have ranked PvP sort your bloody servers out).

I'm not a big PvPer or very good at it, but I really like the format for ToO and think Bungie have done well to make it accessible to everyone and easy enough to get something from it, even if you're not a natural at PvP. I think I actually prefer it to PoE and I'm a PvE carebear.

Oh and if anyone wants to get Lighthouse access, drop lilman/Takizawa an invite. Boy is good at PvP.

[GODZOOKI]

You only need ascended guns for content above level 34, 365 weapons are strictly for PoE 35 and level enabled PvP, 300 weapons obviously excluded.

Are people really moaning because the game is throwing loot at them? Loot that can be rerolled to you're ideal weapon? This is like some parallel universe compared with launch or TDB.

I kinda agree.

I've done Lvl 35 prison of elders with my loadout of choice being my fatebringer, black hammer & gally, I haven't used etheric light on anything other than armour. Not getting it shouldn't be the cause of any frustration, you'll get it once you do higher level activity.

[Moodmon]

I'm more concerned that the best pve primaries (elemental damage no less, for pvp?!? ) are now obtained from doing well in trials of osiris when the prison weapons that you can get from the vendor after doing the lvl 34 and 35 stuff (I assume) are kinetic.

In the database, all the queen primary weapons have a II version. These have a random element attached which I assume can be rerolled. Not sure if they have dropped for anyone yet though.

The Osiris elemental guns are all gained from lighthouse access as far as I know. So there are definitely guns in there via PvE. Guessing PoE 35 and using a key maybe?

Edit - From Reddit.

Skolas Rewards: After killing Skolas you have a chance for an elemental primary to drop, or to get an exotic bounty from him (link for bounties are at the bottom). DO NOT open the Big Chest at the end in search for either of these things. Both will drop immediately after killing Skolas.

[Wavy]

Re: elemental damage primary's, Skolas has a chance to drop them, and the cypher exotic bounty upon death at 35. Having used some of the non burn PoE/fallen weapons, and owning 3 primary's gained from ToO, you really want the Trials weapons in my view, the hand cannon, auto and scout rifles are really, really, really good, shame my hand cannon is void and scout is arc, I want solar.

[Gorf King]

Wavy, when you say you really want the elemental Trials primaries, are you saying they're different to the ones that can drop from Skolas and the PoE exotic bounties?

[pinholestar]

Are people really moaning because the game is throwing loot at them? Loot that can be rerolled to you're ideal weapon? This is like some parallel universe compared with launch or TDB.

Not sure if this was directed at me, but if so I wasn't moaning at all. I love the showers of loot that have rained down in the first few days! Motes of Light are arguably now the most sought-after currency if you're obsessively seeking that perfect re-roll like me.

[Capp]

Ben : Did you try Trials again last night? How was it compared to the day session we had?

[mechamonkey]

I got a Hawkmoon today from the 28 PoE (ascended version too!) Small fry compared to most people's achievements but for a noob like me it's awesome.

Did another this morning, got another Hawkmoon! Like busses these loots..

[Wavy]

Wavy, when you say you really want the elemental Trials primaries, are you saying they're different to the ones that can drop from Skolas and the PoE exotic bounties?

They are totally different, similar archetypes but with better perks in my opinion, they also feel like they have better hidden stats like aim assist, handling etc.

The PoE weapons are pretty shit because the Fallen damage perks are a wasted slot I feel, and the elementals don't match the perks on secondary and heavys. The LMG is arc but has shank damage perks, the shotgun is solar but has captain suppression, that should be the other way round shouldn't it? The one big positive is they are 365 which is obviously good for PoE 35, I'm just not a fan.

The Trials primaries just feel better to use, I have the hand cannon, scout and autos from both and the Trials weapons feel more stable, smoother to use and look nicer, in my view.

Edit. And its really only a strong void primary that is missing, if you ascend Fatebringer, Vision of Confluence and Fang of It Yet, those 3 are just great at 365.

[Wavy]

Not sure if this was directed at me, but if so I wasn't moaning at all. I love the showers of loot that have rained down in the first few days! Motes of Light are arguably now the most sought-after currency if you're obsessively seeking that perfect re-roll like me.

No, not aimed at you at all. The loot shower is almost surreal, almost too much, people should enjoy it while its a thing, Bungie may adjust it down the line, not all weapons need to be kept or ascended.

[Gorf King]

They are totally different, similar archetypes but with better perks in my opinion, they also feel like they have better hidden stats like aim assist, handling etc.

The PoE weapons are pretty shit because the Fallen damage perks are a wasted slot I feel, and the elementals don't match the perks on secondary and heavys. The LMG is arc but has shank damage perks, the shotgun is solar but has captain suppression, that should be the other way round shouldn't it?

Thanks for the explanation. Yes, that makes no sense - if they'd been the other way round they'd be highly desirable. I suppose they're trying to balance things out a bit and not make stuff OP, but as we know from Fatebringer and Gjallarhorn, the OP weapons are half of what makes the game worth playing. Because they're fun.

I'm a bit pissed off that only someone who's great at PvP can get the best PvE weapons in the game, making Phelan and others' earlier assertion that you need to do PvP (and do it well) to get the best PvE kit - which I don't believe was true at the time - true now. I have no problem at all with PvP being a big part of the game, or with it rewarding players well and uniquely, but when you can do all the highest-level PvE content in one week, and get 2 Etherics for it all and inferior weapons, and do the PvP stuff and get twice that number of ELs and better weapons for PvE I think the game balance has gone wrong. In terms of rewards, the top-level PvE content should be challenging, and demand a real commitment, and offer rewards that - for PvE play - are right at the top of the tree. Not a second-best selection of gear and fewer material rewards.

I take the point that some might make - that you can ascend Fatebringer et al over time and get your PvE jollies that way - but that's not really new content, and feels like a bit of a sop. I did notice in the Bungie weekly update they said 'House of Wolves has a few more secrets tucked up its sleeves. There are battles that have yet to even begin,' and part of me - the naive, hopeful part - clings to the idea that maybe, just maybe, they recognise the current imbalance and are going to add new content (the missing raid? hehehe... no) to HoW's PvE game before the next paid instalment. So I do hope this is just a half-way house to what HoW should have been - raid and all - because as it stands, everything that comes to light just underlines my belief that this expansion was the one that was all about PvP. PoE is fun and all, but in terms of variety, longevity and rewards there's nothing there to make you drool with anticipation. Fun as it is for now, I do hope Bungie really do have something more up their sleeves. A new equivalent of VoG, dropping a new Fatebringer and Vex would be nice please, Bungie. Just something to make you think, 'wow, this is really cool,' like the top end Trials rewards, and with a challenge to match.

[Bonzai1888]

I personally think PoE should have had matchmaking for everything bar the level 35, hoose to masel last night couldn't play this or osiris.

[Mr Ben]

Ben : Did you try Trials again last night? How was it compared to the day session we had?

Yeah had a few games with Gongstation and his mate, but didn't get anywhere. Only played for about an hour I think it was, but it was late and Gong was tired, so we stopped.

I'd be up for a few more go's today though if anyone is up for it. Lvl 33 Hunter/Warlock/Titan.

[Wavy]

Gorf they are excellent in both PvE and PvP, but the best PvE weapons remain the usual suspects of Gjalla, Fatebringer, Vision, Fang etc. I'm just saying that the Trials weapons are superior to the PoE ones in my view(PoE scout rifle lovely though). They can be obtained from the trials legendary packages aswel as 5? wins for 500 glimmer, its just the (Adept) tagged elemental primaries that require getting to Mercury.

Rerolls also allow you to get you're "perfect" weapon and take it to 365 if you wish, I'm more attached to my "perfect" reroll weapons than the majority of my desirable guns or exotics because I invested the time and effort to attain and then reroll them after finding out what perks give me what I want, and now I can tackle new content with those weapons without them feeling under powered.

I largely agree with you on Destiny as you're usually on point but I don't think its fair for you to make assertions that the game is now leaning more to PvP when you've not actually used many of the PoE weapons or any Trials models, nor done Trials or 35 PoE, its not as epic as Atheon or Crota but it will provide a fresh challenge every week which the raids never can and are largely done on auto pilot now. There's definelty more of a focus on PvP now, but its still hugely skewed towards PvE, so I dont think its accurate to say PvP is mandatory, and quite honestly its about time PvP was given some focus as it was nothing more than a bullet point for the box previously, it does now provide a similar route to 34 and top tier weaponry as PvE previously has done, that's a good thing.

[BarryL85]

It's a shame there is only matchmaking on 28. Finding it hard to get a game.

Wheres the rest of the iLads?

You don't want to be rinsing it anyway

[Lyrical Donut]

I just got a treasure key from the right hand chest in the treasure room after running through 34 again.

[Mr Ben]

I think its random Lyrical, saw some posts on Bungies forums saying some people got a key from those side chests on the level 28 and 32 versions as well.

I still think its a bit strange to give top pvp players the best pve primaries, whereas the ones from PoE aren't as good, according to Wavy.

Also I know its pretty shit, but the Crota hand cannon is a decent void primary, far better than Atheons Epilogue now at any rate.

[KartoffelKopf]

Did another this morning, got another Hawkmoon! Like busses these loots..

Was that the middle chest. I thought exotics only dropped once per week per account from there or is it per character?

[SpagMasterSwift]

When's the reset for the big chest? I got a key from a queens bounty that I'm itching to use ( I only have one character)...

[Baring]

Ok guardians, is it worth me just scrapping all my dupes (hawk moon, icebreaker etc...) since the vault app is fantastic and I can just transfer so easy.

Or will it bite me further down the line?

[DCHAMPX]

I've been doing it pal. No need to keep 2x of the same weapon or armour. Plus it's a good way to get your hands on more Exotic Shards to ascend your existing Exotics.

Oh and is anyone up for a Level 34 run of PoE tonight?

[JDubYes]

Hadn't played this in at least a month, but played for about four hours earlier, going all through the (pretty decent) HoW story stuff, and then trying the (level 28) Prison of Elders. (I didn't know about all the keys, etc, so just went for that one first, despite being level 31.)

Went pretty well, apart from one guy promptly leaving when it looked like we might wipe at one point, though the remaining guy and I managed to keep progressing until someone else joined us to finish. Then I had a mild panic when we had finished, as I didn't realise (at first) that you had to get to a chest to get your loot, so I only made it with about 7 seconds to spare, which was a bit tense...

On the plus side, I did then get Her Right Hand (the new AR). Oh, and (my first) Gjallarhorn.

I've used a couple of the Exotic Shards I've been hanging onto to upgrade Thorn and Ice Breaker, and am holding onto the other two while I decide what to do with the Voidfang Vestaments (currently my only Exotic armour), Invective, Multi Mida Tool and Bad Juju (once I've finished the bounty). I do think there might be a better Warlock Exotic. Any suggestions (for someone who's generally a Sunsinger, in both PvE and PvP)?

Either way, it looks like I'm back in, for the time being at least. Such a good game.

[Marmite]

Yes please for 34. Should be 33 a bit later this evening.

[Capp]

Later this evening I would Be up for a 34 PoE, as well as another pop at ToO. Hopefully with a bit more success this time.

[Moodmon]

One thing to remember about PvP is that if you previously only played that, it was tremendously difficult to get to max level and decent guns. Sure you don't care about elemental burn but you had to wait for Iron Banner, grind it then wait a month and do it again for a chance to hit say 34.

Finally you can just PvP and get stuff just as good. It is about time dedicated PvP players got their due. It sounds like the process could do with tweaking for PvE (as in more opportunities for etheric light drops outside the once weekly nightfall and PoE runs) rather than touching how ToO works. Maybe you can moan that you have to PvP to get certain weapons. I am okay with it as long as you have alternatives, and stuff isn't just straight better.

Plus the elemental ToO guns are locked behind going 9-0, it isn't like crossing fingers and hoping Atheon drops Vex instead of the Epilogue.

[Capp]

Is there anyone around who still needs to do the nightfall? I only managed it once earlier in the week and wouldn't mind doing at least once more.

[DCHAMPX]

I think Jerec is still yet to do it on one of his Warlocks. Doubt he'll be on until late if he's available. I wouldn't mind assisting with it.

Marmite and Capp - PoE level 34 at 9.30ish?

[Marmite]

Sounds good dude.