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.::: Moving wands in front of tellies and touching stuff on a screen? The very concept sounds childish. Not that I take pleasure in it, but Nintendo won't get rid of the stigma. The question is if they want to though.

Wait until that wand is directing a chainsaw.

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How in God's name do you know this?

Ive heard tales from several people who work in the likes of Game. Its always the same sort of stories every Xmas time. Parents/Grandparents walking in off the street having heard about them playstation thingies etc etc The Ashton Game store for instance couldnt go 5 minutes without a clueless parent coming in and asking really simple/basic questions. Its just how it is.

Making the Wii version work on a GC and also releasing a GC version wouldn't make things easier for parents, it would make things more confusing. Sorry.

The customers dont see the game discs just the labels on the box. So if the GC or Wii box had the same discs inside but a label on the front saying it was for one or the other, then noone would know any different. Sometimes you have to see past common sense.

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Ive heard tales from several people who work in the likes of Game. Its always the same sort of stories every Xmas time. Parents/Grandparents walking in off the street having heard about them playstation thingies etc etc The Ashton Game store for instance couldnt go 5 minutes without a clueless parent coming in and asking really simple/basic questions. Its just how it is.

I'd forward this invaluable anecdotal market research direct to Nintendo if I were you.

The customers dont see the game discs just the labels on the box. So if the GC or Wii box had the same discs inside but a label on the front saying it was for one or the other, then noone would know any different. Sometimes you have to see past common sense.

The discs are different sizes for starters. That really would be seeing past common sense.

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I'd forward this invaluable anecdotal market research direct to Nintendo if I were you.

Are you really that stupid? How many parents know the difference between the major consoles? How many actually play games? It wil be a hell of a lot less than those that do. Its always been like that.

I'd forward this invaluable anecdotal market research direct to Nintendo if I were you.

The discs are different sizes for starters. That really would be seeing past common sense.

If you had been following my posts you would have noticed that I asked if anyone knew this for sure.

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Ive heard tales from several people who work in the likes of Game. Its always the same sort of stories every Xmas time. Parents/Grandparents walking in off the street having heard about them playstation thingies etc etc The Ashton Game store for instance couldnt go 5 minutes without a clueless parent coming in and asking really simple/basic questions. Its just how it is.

The customers dont see the game discs just the labels on the box. So if the GC or Wii box had the same discs inside but a label on the front saying it was for one or the other, then noone would know any different. Sometimes you have to see past common sense.

Right. How is it any easier for a parent to go into a shop to buy the Gamecube version, only to be told that she has a choice between two that will work on his machine? I don't think you've thought this thorugh.

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Are you really that stupid? How many parents know the difference between the major consoles? How many actually play games? It wil be a hell of a lot less than those that do. Its always been like that.

If you had been following my posts you would have noticed that I asked if anyone knew this for sure.

If you're about to spend more than 100 quid on a console, I'd at least read up on it/consult my kids to know the basic facts about them.

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Right. How is it any easier for a parent to go into a shop to buy the Gamecube version, only to be told that she has a choice between two that will work on his machine? I don't think you've thought this thorugh.

Your getting the staff involved. Im talking about stuff on the shelves. If a parent knows they want a GC game then they go to the GC section, if its a Wii game then they go for the Wii section. In either section you would have the relevant gamebox with the suitable label, they dont need to know if it works on both just that the version they pick is for that system. Nice n easy.

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Right. How is it any easier for a parent to go into a shop to buy the Gamecube version, only to be told that she has a choice between two that will work on his machine? I don't think you've thought this thorugh.

Indeed. Further, considering the machine will only just have launched, said parent might just remember buying the bloody thing.

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If you're about to spend more than 100 quid on a console, I'd at least read up on it/consult my kids to know the basic facts about them.

But that would ruin the surprise on Xmas day. Dont forget a lot of parents wil be keeping to the Santa Claus routine and asking a kid about a console might spoil it for some.

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If you're about to spend more than 100 quid on a console, I'd at least read up on it/consult my kids to know the basic facts about them.

As lorfarius has pointed out, that simply doesn't happen. Kid asks for console x, parent goes and buys console x not knowing any thing about it, because thats what their kid has decided they want.

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Are you really that stupid? How many parents know the difference between the major consoles? How many actually play games? It wil be a hell of a lot less than those that do. Its always been like that.

If you had been following my posts you would have noticed that I asked if anyone knew this for sure.

Evidently everyone is stupid except from you. If you knew anything about, well anything, you'd probably realise that retailers don't really think of adults as shambling morons who can't tell the difference between one product and the other. Also if they are buying a gift they are more likely to buy the wrong thing rather than nothing and then swap if it is actually wrong at a later date. I don't see why it's even a talking point, the actual amount of copies this is going to be an issue with is completely negligiable.

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.::: Moving wands in front of tellies and touching stuff on a screen? The very concept sounds childish. Not that I take pleasure in it, but Nintendo won't get rid of the stigma. The question is if they want to though.

Stigma? The 1up podcast was talking about this too. I don't really buy it. I guess the party games where the whole point is to jump around and hit imaginary tennis balls could be embarrassing to some, but is sitting down and waving a remote control in the general direction of the telly all that shameful? Any more so than using a conventional controller? Or a conventional remote control?

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Evidently everyone is stupid except from you. If you knew anything about, well anything, you'd probably realise that retailers don't really think of adults as shambling morons who can't tell the difference between one product and the other. Also if they are buying a gift they are more likely to buy the wrong thing and then swap if it's wrong at a later date. I don't see why it's even a talking point, the actual amount of copies this is going to be an issue with is completely negligiable.

A great number of shops dont allow swapping at a later date if you get it wrong. Woolworths for one comes to mind. And retailers dont see adults as anything more than walking £ signs.

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But that would ruin the surprise on Xmas day. Dont forget a lot of parents wil be keeping to the Santa Claus routine and asking a kid about a console might spoil it for some.

Do you have kids?

No, didn't think so. You don't just stab in the dark with kids, you blatantly trick them into telling you what they want and then pretend like you don't know....

As for the wider discussion my in-laws (aged 45 & 55) would have no idea about which console to get (or know that they want one), apart from the fact that they'd like one "...made by the same people as that DS thingy" that they bought last year. (for Nintendogs and Sega Casino)

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Do you have kids?

No, didn't think so. You don't just stab in the dark with kids, you blatantly trick them into telling you what they want and then pretend like you don't know....

You risk spoiling Xmas if you dont do it right though. Which was my earlier point. If a parent starts asking for detailed information about a console then the kids are going to figure it out. Some parents just dont want to take that risk. Nothing wrong with surprising them come Xmas day is there?

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It was that making the Wii version compatible with the Gamecube and also selling the Gamecube version would be easier for consumers to understand than either having seperate versions for each console or just having one version that plays on both.

I think Im all argued out for the day :unsure: Next topic ;)

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Actual Wii question!

Not sure if the answer is out yet but Ive got a stepdown converter for my US Cube, anyone know if it will work with the US Wii or will I be needing a new one?

Cheers muchly.

Depends on the rating of the stepdown. If its a 45w or so (cube is 39w iirc) then theres a good chance it won't. If you have 100w+ one then it will probably be fine. I've not seen anything to say what the wii psu is rated for

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I worked for EB a few years back, when I was at Uni. There was one Christmas, I think it must have been 1998, when the Playstation was flying off the shelves, whilst the N64 was staggering from the same shelves. Anyway, the PS sold out in late November and we were advised that restocks would be few and far between. Within a week or two, we'd sold out of N64s. All gone. Parents had come in to get a Playstation, been told they were out of stock, and so bought an N64 instead.

They were all determined to have SOMETHING under that tree.

A great number of shops dont allow swapping at a later date if you get it wrong. Woolworths for one comes to mind. And retailers dont see adults as anything more than walking £ signs.

I remember when I was younger I used to buy games from O-zone (I think it was. A chain of shops a bit like HMV that all closed down a few years ago), Boots and WH Smiths in Taunton as there was pretty much nowhere else at the time - no Woolworths, no EB, no Virgin). Often I would buy a game I didn't like - Street Racer on the MD springs to mind (Super Mario Kart it wasn't) and they wouldn't let me take the game back. Send Mum in, though, and she would re-appear with either money, vouchers, or a different game. Adult power.

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Actual Wii question!

Not sure if the answer is out yet but Ive got a stepdown converter for my US Cube, anyone know if it will work with the US Wii or will I be needing a new one?

Cheers muchly.

The Wii is supposed to be pretty low power.

Wii is an incredible 17watts on full power. Just get a good step down from maplins should last you years.

So you should be fine.

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I worked for EB a few years back, when I was at Uni. There was one Christmas, I think it must have been 1998, when the Playstation was flying off the shelves, whilst the N64 was staggering from the same shelves. Anyway, the PS sold out in late November and we were advised that restocks would be few and far between. Within a week or two, we'd sold out of N64s. All gone. Parents had come in to get a Playstation, been told they were out of stock, and so bought an N64 instead.

And the n64 STILL failed miserably :unsure:

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You risk spoiling Xmas if you dont do it right though. Which was my earlier point. If a parent starts asking for detailed information about a console then the kids are going to figure it out.

Yeah, but come on, how many 'surprises' are there for kids this Xmas? I reckon 360's probably out of the runnings due to complexity and PS3 is a no show. It's either a DS or a Wii or a Stretch Whorestrong for little Timmies and Tina this Xmas. The only way you're going to get a shocked expression out of those little fuckers is if you plant down over the odds money on an import PS3.

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