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Dandy_Sephy

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Anyone know the percentage of homes in the UK that have Sky?

More importantly, what percentage of UK homes have Sky Sports today?

well if Sky have 10million subscribers, as someone mentioned earlier they have 16.6% market share. (based soley on population, not households)

Sky sports subscribers is a bit harder to find out

edit: and now I see about 5 other people have commented before me ;)

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McCoy

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Can't remember which channel this was, but one of them went split-screen when ads were on. Audio was from the ads, but you could still see the live race action on the other side of the screen so weren't in danger of missing anything.

That's a really good idea as well, although I am sure the advertisers would argue that this would mean less people would be focusing on their ads!

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I love Live timing too so it would disappoint me. But I'd prefer to see the entire race, even in a slightly time delayed form than miss out on chunks due to adverts. Its all entirely academic but I just pondered why it couldn't be done.

Some ad channels round the world use PiP during race time ad breaks, so you miss the sound, but you at least still get to see the race action. If you couple it with radio commentary you obviously overcome that issue. I suppose if you have a fancy TV with zooming, then you can even cut down on the ad space too.

It's the best option I've seen for ads so far.

I'll never forget the ITV race where the action had seem to intense during the whole race that they kept delaying the ad break to the point where they had to run them back to back at the end of the race. Massive apologies all round, but thems the breaks when you're dealing with live TV.

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JohnC

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:doh: Parr, Parr, Parr... Premiership matches already drive people into pubs and other venues to watch games, which is fine for a sport that's on at the same time every week. But F1, which is on at times when viewing places aren't open for a lot of the season is a very different sport. Plus a football match lasts for 2 hours including breaks, where as F1 lasts for a total of about 6 hours (3 core hours of racing) over a three-day period. It just isn't a good comparison in anyway.

Even when races are on when a pub is open, they will be showing football over F1 anyway.

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Dandy_Sephy

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Blog by BBC's head of F1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/sporteditors/2011/07/f1_coverage_to_be_shared_betwe.html

There has been considerable reaction to the news so I feel it's important to explain some of the background behind what has happened.

The headline is that under a seven-year deal starting next season, we will be showing 10 of the races in the F1 calendar, plus the corresponding qualifying and practice sessions, live on BBC TV.

We will broadcast extended highlights for the rest of the grands prix just a few hours after the chequered flag has been waved. Sky will have live action from all races, qualifying and practice sessions.

There has been a great deal of unsettling speculation recently about F1 rights. Amid all the rumour and counter-rumour, our production and on-air team have shown huge professionalism, dedication and expertise to keep delivering the high quality output that has become the trademark of our coverage.

The speculation is now over. This new arrangement extends the BBC's commitment to F1 by a further five years - our existing contract, which gave us exclusive rights in the UK, was due to expire in 2013. But of course it does mean our coverage will not be as comprehensive as it has been in recent years.

So why are we sharing the coverage with Sky when up to now it had just been us?

Ultimately, of course, decisions about which media organisations get the chance to broadcast F1 are taken by Bernie Ecclestone's Formula 1 Management (FOM). But from the BBC's perspective the new set-up provided us with an opportunity to continue our association with this gripping sport, which has captured the imagination of our audiences since it returned to BBC screens in 2009, with viewing figures at a 10-year high this season.

And while our coverage from 2012 may not be as extensive as it has been up to now, the bare facts are that the BBC needs to save money. Given the financial circumstances in which we find ourselves, we believe this new deal offers the best outcome for licence-fee payers.

In a sense this partnership with Sky is another example of how the landscape of sports broadcasting has been transformed in recent years. There was a time when the BBC and other public service broadcasters could expect to televise all the big sports themselves. Now though we have a 'mixed economy', with some events on satellite while others are on terrestrial.

And although this may be the first time the BBC has shared Formula 1 with another broadcaster, there is a long-standing pattern of partnerships between free-to-air and pay TV to cover major sports. So the Champions League can be watched on both Sky and ITV; US Masters golf is now shared between ourselves and Sky (with audiences for that event up this year); and then of course there is the Premier League - with live games on Sky and ESPN, while our ever-popular highlights programme Match of the Day keeps football fans entertained on a Saturday night.

This new F1 arrangement will allow us to tell the story of the whole F1 season for BBC viewers, while providing extended access to the biggest moments in the calendar: including the glamour of Monaco, the excitement of the last race of the season, plus the British grand prix at Silverstone, which remains one of the highlights of the UK's sporting summer.

In addition to our award-winning TV output, we will continue with our exclusive radio coverage on 5 Live and 5 Live Sports Extra as well as our comprehensive F1 website and mobile services and the regular broadcasts on BBC News outlets. We know F1 fans appreciate the extensive multi-platform coverage we offer and, as well as capturing those big moments on TV, we pledge to keep audiences up to date with all the news and action throughout the season, wherever they are.

You will appreciate these are early days, with much still to decide, including some of the detail around our own production. We will let you know as soon as there is more to say on that front - but in the meantime there is the small matter of the 2011 season to focus on.

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McCoy

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Even when races are on when a pub is open, they will be showing football over F1 anyway.

Plus, unlike football, I've always thought that you really need the sound and commentary with F1 otherwise it's quite hard to determine what is going on, where people are and what strategy people are choosing.

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I've been thinking about this actually. F1 could well end up going the way of cricket, boxing etc.

Both have gone over to Sky and the interest from the general public has waned, because you have to pay a premium to watch it. The prospective audience is narrowed significantly.

Now, boxing is no longer the draw it was and fighters like David Haye have to essentially make an arse out of themselves to try and drum up public interest. A few people who I used to work with who actually took an interest in cricket during the terrestrial TV days would struggle to even know what the current England XI is and what they're doing.

When will sporting governing bodies stop taking the short termist 'money now' view and really think about hiding their sport from the masses will only hurt them in the long run....

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:bye:

Me waving to F1 at the end of this season. Why Adam Parr seems to think he knows something about the sport and viewers when he's from a team which is dying on it's arse is a mystery. And that is my next point, I'd be expecting a mass exodus of F1 teams and talent out of the uk over the next 6 years. No reason at all to remain here now. F1 was and still is in every capacity something that this country has been absolutely outstanding at.

Pity really, I'd said a few weeks ago that F1 and motorsport were starting to become alot more mainstream, and then some knobend goes and removes it from a huge chunk of the audience. A masterstroke. You'd hope that they might move to a lower formula to follow instead, but I can't see that happening. Sky might do a motorsport package, but £600 is a race licence and nearly 2 years worth of entries for racing my quad, they can get bent.

Sad day really, the BBC will drop F1 like a brick when viewing figures bomb next year. There's a generation of kids that won't get to sit in awe of the pinacle of motorsport unless daddy or the state is stupid enough to fund sky. And yes there is still a huge amount of anger directed to Murdoch and his media empire for their behaviour over the past 10 years, the timing of this being sold to that greedy band of bastards is a disgrace.

If the premiership is anything to go by, F1 is about to get ruined.

Excuse me while I go and play with my spanners, the quad needs some setup work, it's going to get alot more use in the next few years.

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I've been thinking about this actually. F1 could well end up going the way of cricket, boxing etc.

Both have gone over to Sky and the interest from the general public has waned, because you have to pay a premium to watch it. The prospective audience is narrowed significantly.

Now, boxing is no longer the draw it was and fighters like David Haye have to essentially make an arse out of themselves to try and drum up public interest. A few people who I used to work with who actually took an interest in cricket during the terrestrial TV days would struggle to even know what the current England XI is and what they're doing.

When will sporting governing bodies stop taking the short termist 'money now' view and really think about hiding their sport from the masses will only hurt them in the long run....

You're spot on mate. It's no wonder kids these days aren't really into cricket and other sports that are now on Sky.

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I've got no interest in cricket, but as a kid I remember playing it all the time. So I probably did watch it back then, though due to my family not being interested (unlike F1 and Football) the passion was never kept alive.

Boxing was up there with F1 to me growing up. The Tyson years were some of my favourite sporting years. Then the fights disappeared off BBC and ITV and again, I lost interest.

I've sorta kept up with football, but it's one of those sports where you don't feel bad for missing a game. They're often twice a week and that's just for the team you support. If you want to see more then you have to accept that you can't watch everything, due to the timing (games being played at the same time) and sheer amount of content. So with that, programs like Match of the Day work. You can see the important match live, then watch the highlights of the rest later.

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Dandy_Sephy

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We have the full whack of Sky, but I'm still annoyed by this arrangement, and it has everything to do with the BBC's excellent coverage. I've only been interested in F1 again after watching this years Monaco and the BBC have a lot to do with why I've watched every race since. It's difficult to criticise Sky's capacity to deliver great coverage on a technical level as they've got 20 years of experience with back room production. However the BBC have several former drivers and a former team principal as their presenting team and importantly, that brings them a level of access and credibility that Sky won't have if they give random people the job of presenting F1. Can we really see Team management and drivers being happy with Sky trying to send some random bloke to do a grid walk?

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JohnC

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Just having a quick look there. Sky Sports 1

MANCHESTER UTD V ARSENAL - LIVE (MON 1901) 2,019,000

That's a fairly high profile game and is probably in the high-end of view rating for the sport.

I genuinely thought a game like that would get higher figures than F1 even despite being on pay TV.

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Cricket stopped being shown on normal telly after the 2005 ashes, one of the most exciting series ever and some of the most exciting sport I've ever seen. The ratings were also very good.

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For me, Dandy, it is somewhat redundant if Sky can delivery excellent coverage or not. As Marsh says, I am not paying £600 a year to watch F1. Even if that F1 budget then allows me to watch all of the football, all of the time...

I'm sad to think that F1 is going the way of boxing and cricket. I couldn't name the cricket XI now... but knew all the names when I was growing up. Used to love watching boxing with my dad. Are the BBC just going to have the "world's strongest man" each christmas?

F1. It's just not cricket.

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Spoonman

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World's strongest man moved to channel 5 a while back. No one watches it.

Ah, wasn't sure. I just remember it being on TV at Christmas. That's right, you've reminded me! The BBC has shit loads of Vicar of Dibley re-runs and 6 year old movies to wade through.

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