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Hawkeye

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Approximate cost of F1 rights per year: £45m. Approximate cost of BBC3 per year: £115m. Re-runs of Two Pints Of Lager all round!

Bad comparison. The BBC will be cutting costs in all departments. Should the drop BBC4 too, no doubt not a viewings winner despite it's aim of quality output. It would also lead to the argument of them clogging up the screens with dancing/singing/celeb type guff as that'll be cheap and viewing figures through the roof!

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What is making people most angry? I'm seeing some serious Twitter fury!

1) It's going to cost alot more to watch it?

2) No BBC production team / presenters?

3) Less casual viewers?

4) Potential to have advertisement within the race?

Combination of all? Anything else?

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@MBrundleF1

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Sauber confirm their very handy drivers Kobayashi +Perez 2012. GP2 bandit Gutierrez reserve. Bad news for the scores hoping to break into F1

That sucks to bo honest, was hoping Kobes would be moving up to a more competitive car. He's now in danger of being that great racer that never realised his potential because he stayed in the same middle league team all career :(

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4) Potential to have advertisement within the race?

Wouldn't be surprised if the lower third was pimped to high heaven with product placements. Buy Herbal Essence just as Vettel waves his finger!

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If sky sport had any other motorsport i wouldn't mind so much.

But MotorsTV and europsport do the ILMC And Le Mans so that's covered. NASCAR is on ESPN3.com or some such so i can't see that. and Indy is on ... Is Indy on Sky Sports ... ? i'm not sure it is.

I don't watch Football at all, and i really really don't watch Spainish 3rd division football or German football. Darts and snooker are dull. I don't give a monkeys about "having the best football legue in the world thanks to sky" becuase Sky aren't going to improve F1 one jot.

It's a sad sad day.

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I feel it should be pointed out that I pay the BBC just ONE licence fee whereas with Sky I'd have to pay them for the base package and then Sky sport on top. That's a lot more money. :)

You're kind of making my point for me. It's not like you've ever been able to pay for F1 on its own.

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To confirm the beeb has this deal to show half the races till 2018?

But that means nothing I guess because they pulled out of their current deal early, so I expect this could change from half the races to none

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Hawkeye

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You're kind of making my point for me. It's not like you've ever been able to pay for F1 on its own.

Totally.

I currently pay for Sky Sports for football and NFL, but that still leaves a ton of content I'm not interested in. If you buy a media package you do so on the grounds of is the cost worth what you want from it.

If all you enjoy is F1 it's unlikely any subscription based option will seem like a good deal.

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Pretty sure Indy is on Sky Sports.

Now lets place my cards on the table, i have Sky and Sky sports via Virgin, i pay hardly anything for it with the movie package above my base BB, TV + Phone package.

But, I'm still not happy that it is leaving the BBC, the BBC have done a stunning job with the coverage and have got a great set of presenters in place and some brilliant extra features like the forum and pre-quali stuff on the red button.

However i would rather see it going to Sky than C5 or ITV who both would have no option to put ad breaks into the live coverage and as we know the ITV years were a sham of missed moments and appalling coverage - much like any sport they have covered, the ITV very nearly ruined league football and should never be allowed to show a sport ever again - they make Sky look like the saviours of sport in comparison :o C5 football coverage is amateur hour at best so again would not have been happy to see it go there.

The only thing i can think is that this deal was the only way the BBC could have kept some form of coverage, if that the means to that end then so be it but of course i feel the pain of the fans who don't want to or can't afford to pay for F1 so don't lynch me as I'm not pro Sky in anyway.

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McCoy

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What is making people most angry? I'm seeing some serious Twitter fury!

1) It's going to cost alot more to watch it?

2) No BBC production team / presenters?

3) Less casual viewers?

4) Potential to have advertisement within the race?

Combination of all? Anything else?

Number 1 and 2 are the most important points. Casual viewers matter, but not to us but to the teams and the advertisers. I think we have confirmed that there will be no adverts during the race. Sky's business model for sports resolves around the subscription fee not advertising revenue.

As a Virgin Customer it would cost £14.50 a month to watch F1 which is pretty expensive all told. And if we lose the BBC production team and presenters plus the value added content then that would be a huge shame as well. Frankly, it would make sense for the BBC/Sky to combine operations to use the same presenting and commentating team although I can't really see this happening (although Brundle and Coulthard might be able to negotiate a deal to commentate for all the races and the BBC can use their commentary for the races they screen).

But it is a pity this has happened. The coverage we have at the moment is excellent and it is sad that the BBC are wanting to reduce their involvement. The BBC always maintains that it is there to provide services that the commercial sector won't but in practice it really does tend to aim for the mass market when deciding how to spend its money. Also, given the current political atmosphere, it must be quite embarrassing for the BBC to be seen to be giving Sky Sports the effect of 10 extended adverts per year for its services for the foreseeable future. Along the lines of, if you enjoyed that race you just watched for free then you can see more races like this by signing up to Sky. Seems dubious territory for the BBC to be on.

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You're kind of making my point for me. It's not like you've ever been able to pay for F1 on its own.

Yeah it's kinda like you're missing MY point which is I'm going to have to pay VASTLY more to ignore stuff I was ignoring before. Sure I don't watch a lot of stuff the BBC produces but for ignoring that I was paying them £150-ish. In the future I'm going to have to pay a LOT more than £150 a year to ignore a shit load more stuff. So yeah I'm not particularly happy.

If I gave a fuck at all about watching footy etc yeah it'd be less of a blow but like a lot of others here I don't watch a lot of TV and pretty much the only thing I make time to watch live is F1.

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I can actually understand the BBC's position. Viewing figures may well be the best F1 has had for a long while, but I daresay they pale in comparison to the viewing figures for lowest-common-denominator shows like Eastenders and Strictly.

Of course but the audience is generally far different and BBC has a duty to cater for all of its license fee payers. Private Eye had a bit about this a couple of weeks ago. The BBC were using a cost per viewer ratio from a few years ago, but audience figures are up a large amount over the past couple of seasons.

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My TV has a slot for a TopUpTV card in the side. Does this mean I'd be able to watch Formula 1 on Freeview Sky Sports if I purchased one of those cards?

Extremely unimpressed with this news, I guess I'll be watching the Sky races from the pub.

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Hawkeye

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There's a huge difference between paying £150 pa for the BBC license fee & £600 to sky for a basic sky package, Sky Sports & HD, so it becomes £750pa to watch F1 on skyHD compared to £150 now.

Although truth be told it's hardly surprising a sport as money driven as F1 has priced itself out of non subscription based viewing.

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Hawkeye

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Good luck finding a pub showing it at 1pm on a Sunday. Aren't there 12.45 premier league games?

Normally Sky have football on all day on a Sunday, so outside of the summer months there would be a scheduling clash if you wanted a pub to show the race.

EDIT: Plus many F1 races start at silly o'clock.

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There's a huge difference between paying £150 pa for the BBC license fee & £600 to sky for a basic sky package, Sky Sports & HD, so it becomes £750pa to watch F1 on skyHD compared to £150 now.

You will be paying the 750/year for far more than F1 - i pay just over that for my BB, Phone, TV inc sports and movies and another box in bedroom - not suggesting its cheap or good but if you combine your phone + BB with a tv package you can get some pretty good deals on them and not have sports actually cost that much more. I fully accept that people do not want to pay extra for tv packages given how most of it is shite anyway so not suggesting this is the solution!

The bottom line is the BBC can't afford to pay it and as a licence paying person they should not be paying what Bernie wants for it with the BBC already receiving reduced funding and laying people off, while as a fan of F1 i want it on the BBC it makes no financial sense to do so and would be against the mandate the BBC has to the licence payers to do so.

It is a shame, i'm gutted but in the world we live in it was inevitable and has probably happened quicker due to the amazing job the BBC has done with the coverage!

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Although truth be told it's hardly surprising a sport as money driven as F1 has priced itself out of non subscription based viewing.

But it is happening in a period when the sport is making a concerted effort to be cheaper.

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Hawkeye

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But it is happening in a period when the sport is making a concerted effort to be cheaper.

Cheaper to run in terms of having a full field of teams that can afford to run through a season. It is still a very rich mans playground and sport. You just need to have more money then ever just to run a very basic team these days.

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Yeah it's kinda like you're missing MY point which is I'm going to have to pay VASTLY more to ignore stuff I was ignoring before. Sure I don't watch a lot of stuff the BBC produces but for ignoring that I was paying them £150-ish. In the future I'm going to have to pay a LOT more than £150 a year to ignore a shit load more stuff. So yeah I'm not particularly happy.

If I gave a fuck at all about watching footy etc yeah it'd be less of a blow but like a lot of others here I don't watch a lot of TV and pretty much the only thing I make time to watch live is F1.

I'm not disputing the cost argument. I'm just pointing out the logical inconsistency of complaining that the cost of Sky Sports isn't compartmentalised when F1 is moving from a broadcaster which like Sky, charges for a multitude of services in a bundle.

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