Sport The Formula 1 Thread

[marsh]

Maybe, but so's reacting quickly to such an accident.

Oh absolutely, go back to indy and ralph schumacher, it was an age before they got to his car. You'd never see that in an indycar race, they're on track in an instant. But then the whole crew goes to everyrace with it's own gear all the time. i thought F1 had done the same?

[wev]

I think it's a bit much to be able to expect an ambulance to appear immediately anywhere on the track, it is a street circuit after all. Also, there are other F1 cars travelling around the track and you can't just go launching an ambulance into their path.

There are a lot of safety measures in place to maximise safety for everyone but F1 is still a dangerous game, you can't cover for everything.

I'd of thought that'd be one of the easier sections of the circuit to get even a light emergency crew to, there's that run off area on the other side of that barrier.

[Wallace]

No DRS in the tunnel then... good idea!

[JPR]

Surely you've also got to consider that cars often go down that safety road at speed, so shortening it and putting people in the way isn't a great idea.

[wev]

Oh absolutely, go back to indy and ralph schumacher, it was an age before they got to his car. You'd never see that in an indycar race, they're on track in an instant. But then the whole crew goes to everyrace with it's own gear all the time. i thought F1 had done the same?

You'd of thought so wouldn't you? This is supposed to be the peak of four wheeled motorsport after all. As Jackie Stewart often likes to remind people, saftey can always be improved and if they are still using part-time Marshalls in F1, well then that still needs to be addressed.

[marsh]

There's a gigantic escape road right there where one should be.

Not to mention the marshals waited for just about forever then sneaked around the barrier like they were hunting fucking smugglers or something. There was no sense of urgency whatsoever.

They're more likely to kill him than save his life, they're not all if any of them are medically trained. Basic first aid and that's about it I would guess. You're right though, there's an ambulance a stones throw away, call the bugger over.

[wev]

Surely you've also got to consider that cars often go down that safety road at speed, so shortening it and putting people in the way isn't a great idea.

There's a barrier part way down, I don't know how much room is behind that though.

[Big Gus]

Bet even just seeing that again is enough to get DC's farter rattling.

[marsh]

Shit, I'd not seen Rosebergs off. Lucky boy, that would have hurt like fuck.

[Dudley]

They really should just call the session at this point, we've just had a demonstration of why some twat in a ponytail is not sufficent checking of that barrier.

[marsh]

Is the corner safe to go racing?

People have been having big accidents there for years. Alboreto cut his Footwork Porsche in half in the very same spot years ago, I think Hill had a biggie there, as did Wendlinger, so too did the poor sod in the 50's that parked it in the harbour. It's racing, it's fucking dangerous, and its Monaco.

[wev]

Button had a lucky escape for Honda too iirc.

I don't think the corners the problem, as Eddie's said it seems to be slippier/bumpier on the exit of the tunnel, that can be looked at, but most importantly the training of the emergency services at each and every circuit has to be top notch really.

As I understand it, Marshall's are usually volunteers with basic First Aid training, surely considering the sport you'd want more than that? You'd certainly want more than that if you crashed your road car, why shouldn't a racing car driver expect more too?

[Dudley]

Yeah, they should look into completely removing that barrier but that may well not be possible and if it's not, it's about as good as it ever can be.

[Hackign]

They really should just call the session at this point, we've just had a demonstration of why some twat in a ponytail is not sufficent checking of that barrier.

What type of hair style is suitable for checking barriers?

[Guest]

There's a gigantic escape road right there where one should be.

Yeah. Would you want rescue vehicles in the way if you needed to use that road?

Red flag or not, having that rescue vehicle parked opposite flying across the race track immediately would have been a stupid thing to do. A Marshall running out on track without thoroughly checking it was safe to do so first would be equally as stupid.

I imagine the Medical Car was despatched immediately, and once an all clear was given, everyone converged on the crashed car. You can never get to crash like that quick enough. But taking enormous risks to get there 30 seconds faster is not the answer.

[Halo]

Looks like the tyre came off Perez's car before the crash.

[Dudley]

Assuming Perez misses a race, this is the likely direct replacement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esteban_Guti%C3%A9rrez

[marsh]

Button had a lucky escape for Honda too iirc.

I don't think the corners the problem, as Eddie's said it seems to be slippier/bumpier on the exit of the tunnel, that can be looked at, but most importantly the training of the emergency services at each and every circuit has to be top notch really.

As I understand it, Marshall's are usually volunteers with basic First Aid training, surely considering the sport you'd want more than that? You'd certainly want more than that if you crashed your road car, why shouldn't a racing car driver expect more too?

There's a trained medic at most corners of a circuit if I go racing the quad. Sure, it's only St Johns, but I'm glad they take the time out to stand in a windswept field waiting for me to bin it. It wouldn't be that hard to get that kind of cover at an F1 race.

[wev]

Yeah. Would you want rescue vehicles in the way if you needed to use that road?

Red flag or not, having that rescue vehicle parked opposite flying across the race track immediately would have been a stupid thing to do. A Marshall running out on track without thoroughly checking it was safe to do so first would be equally as stupid.

I imagine the Medical Car was despatched immediately, and once an all clear was given, everyone converged on the crashed car. You can never get to crash like that quick enough. But taking enormous risks to get there 30 seconds faster is not the answer.

Just found this

At the corner in question, the run off area goes down half of the following straight, I'm not entirely sure they'd need a run off area that long. I'm no expert admittedly, and I've no idea how far Coulthard or Button went down that escape road when they had their accidents, but I'm not entirely coninced it needs to be that long?

[JPR]

@f1enigma: Perez seems to have a leg injury. Thats what he told.

Didn't look like the suspension had pierced the car, so maybe just the impact banging them against each other/cockpit.

[dan_tm]

The action on Vettel's suspension during that provisional pole lap was great to watch on the in-car view then.

[marsh]

And lets cut to some tits.

[JPR]

DC is going to haunted by Heidfeld for the rest of the season now.

[wev]

There's a trained medic at most corners of a circuit if I go racing the quad. Sure, it's only St Johns, but I'm glad they take the time out to stand in a windswept field waiting for me to bin it. It wouldn't be that hard to get that kind of cover at an F1 race.

Yeah, as I said, volunteers with basic first aid training and its been that way for decades. My Dad used to Marshall at Donington before I was born and received St. Johns ambulance training (which is why he also had a summer job when I was a kid, driving a mini-bus for a home for people with special needs), I'm 27 in 3 weeks time, I'd of hoped that things had progressed in that time, and considering some of the crashes from the 80s and 90s I would be very dissapointed and surprised if it hadn't been improved to be honest.

Unfortunately we have no real idea what training is provided, alot of the effort seems to have gone into making the circuits themselves safer over the past 2 decades, we know very little about improvements in the aid the drivers receieve after their crash but I seem to remember Schumacher being critical of the Silverstone marshalls after his big crash there despite their quick response time.

[dan_tm]

I hope there's enough time left for everyone who wants a lap to get one as well, there was a good 10 or 15 seconds the clock was still counting on yellow flags when it was obvious that the session couldn't continue immediately.

[wev]

Vettel on pole then, Hamilton's got alot of work to do.

[dan_tm]

That all comes back to the Massa incident about 30 seconds before the red flag, was Hamilton going to be challenging for pole on that lap? I don't think we ever got a replay of Massa's 'block' due to attentions quickly turning to Perez..

[marsh]

I'm guessing that Perez won't be the only one having a problem arriving there tomorrow when there's 96 sets of pirellis softest tyres falling apart on the circuit.

[dan_tm]

Moot point; that lap was the same one perez crashed on.

I thought Hamilton crossed the line, but I guess he couldn't have if that final lap was clased as his first.

Perez has no serious injuries by the way, just had it pop up on the F1 app.

[Throbin Hood]

Moot point; that lap was the same one perez crashed on.

Different lap. Hamilton had passed the sector 2 timing beam several seconds down as he had given up on the lap with Massa. Perez wasn't yet in the wall at that stage but it wasn't long after.