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dan_tm

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Personally I'd have black flagged Hamilton on the spot, I don't care what the situation, he was the guy driving on part of the pit lane you don't drive of, in a place where he's massively endangering other people's pit crews, he should have dropped behind Vettel and used the correct, single file lane.

I'm all for excitement but it comes secondary to not wiping out another team's pit crew because you fucked up exiting the pit and are having a strop.

It was Hardly Hamilton's fault for the release into Vettel's path, and it wasn't really the team's fault either, as they were both released at virtually the same time. The lollypop man isn't watching for other pit-releases, he's looking down the pit-lane to make sure it's clear.

Is there a rule about not crossing that line in the pit lane? I somehow doubt it, due to having to cross it to stop and change tyres. It's not like Hamilton was ever able to get back over the 'correct' side of the line after pitting due to Vettel being in the way either. He seemed totally in the right to be able to do what he did, even if it wasn't the safest thing ever. I'm sure he would have been looking out for the pit crews, but obviously it didn't help when Vettel attempted to shove him into one team part way down the pit lane...

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rafaqat

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Not sure how much it can really tell you, as there are so many things to take into consideration for an overtake, but I was interested to see how the number of Hamilton overtakes compares to Button.

2007

OTPerDriver2007.jpg

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Hamilton: 16

Button: 17

2008

Hamilton: 20

Button: 7

Couldn't find anything already done for these so I went through the lap charts on the FIA site. I excluded the first lap and pit stops, but they are a rough figure. If any overtakes where made due to drivers going wide or slowed with a mechanical problem they would be included, unlike in the other data.

2009

Hamilton: 23

Button: 12

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2010

Hamilton: 25

Button: 3

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Totals

Hamilton: 84 (64 Excluding 2008)

Button: 39 (32 Excluding 2008)

Well that shuts up whoever was going on about Button doing more overtakes than Hamilton.

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morcs

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I think if you feel the need to respond to Brucie you need to take a breath and post the trumpet instead. It is really difficult, but a fun game nonetheless.

He's gotten amazing at the troll, due to sprinkling a healthy dose of good facts :)

I wonder how far we'd get if we tried to get the trumpet added to the forum smilies?

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You have to understand that Brucie has worked in marketing all his life; embellishing, even flat out lying about the truth whilst maintaining an unwavering resolve is in his nature. If he took the stand to defend the cause of paedophiles, or say, a woman driver killing a former serviceman and father of two, we'd all be convinced by his 'I am right' attitude.

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The thing is he posts some very knowledgeable and interesting things but then he'll go and ruin it by stating his opinion as absolute fact and can be patronizing to people who dont agree with him.

I think it would be good if he looked at why his posting style is rubbing people up the wrong way and do something about it so that he can make an opinion without being told to simply fuck off because the guys obviously passionate about F1 and its always good to have different opinions on here.

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It was Hardly Hamilton's fault for the release into Vettel's path, and it wasn't really the team's fault either, as they were both released at virtually the same time. The lollypop man isn't watching for other pit-releases, he's looking down the pit-lane to make sure it's clear.

Is there a rule about not crossing that line in the pit lane? I somehow doubt it, due to having to cross it to stop and change tyres. It's not like Hamilton was ever able to get back over the 'correct' side of the line after pitting due to Vettel being in the way either. He seemed totally in the right to be able to do what he did, even if it wasn't the safest thing ever. I'm sure he would have been looking out for the pit crews, but obviously it didn't help when Vettel attempted to shove him into one team part way down the pit lane...

Totally in the right to drive at full speed towards where human beings are?

There is ONE fast lane in the pit lane, Vettel was in it, he should have pulled in behind Vettel which regardless of Seb's actions he could have done at any time. I don't care when they were released, after Lewis cocked up "Push the accelerator" he was behind the Red Bull.

On the track I'd have loved this, when there are human beings about you do NOT fuck around. Ask Tom Pryce.

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Totally in the right to drive at full speed towards where human beings are?

There is ONE fast lane in the pit lane, Vettel was in it, he should have pulled in behind Vettel which regardless of Seb's actions he could have done at any time. I don't care when they were released, after Lewis cocked up "Push the accelerator" he was behind the Red Bull.

On the track I'd have loved this, when there are human beings about you do NOT fuck around. Ask Tom Pryce.

If Lewis had actually driven towards somebody you might have a point. I just watched it again, he drove at nobody, and noone had to move to avoid him in any way.

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Totally in the right to drive at full speed towards where human beings are?

There is ONE fast lane in the pit lane, Vettel was in it, he should have pulled in behind Vettel which regardless of Seb's actions he could have done at any time. I don't care when they were released, after Lewis cocked up "Push the accelerator" he was behind the Red Bull.

On the track I'd have loved this, when there are human beings about you do NOT fuck around. Ask Tom Pryce.

I'd love to, but sadly we can't :(

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Hamilton couldn't brake, becuase Vettel had moved over to block him on the right. If Hamilton had breaked his left front would have hit Vettels right rear as the tires were "locked"

To avoid contact, Hamilton would have had to drive towards the garage enterances and then come off the speed limiter and braked. which was more dangerious than staying put.

Remeber that this all played out in little over 10 seconds. By the time Hamilton was along side, there was no were else to go, Vettel by moving over to the right, effectively forced Hamilton to hold station.

If Hamilton hadn't tank slapped it on the blue paint in the first place, chances are he would have been in front of Vettel.

It's just one of thoes things, no one was more at fault than the other, they both raced out on a wet track and ended up on the same bit of pit at the same time.

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Well that shuts up whoever was going on about Button doing more overtakes than Hamilton.

Exactly, much egg on my face if that is true.

However a brief look and I can't see the difference between overtakes for track position and blue flag overtakes of backmarkers.

Will give it a further look when I have more time and a bigger computer to work on. A netbook in a bar is not the best working environment.

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rafaqat

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Exactly, much egg on my face if that is true.

However a brief look and I can't see the difference between overtakes for track position and blue flag overtakes of backmarkers.

Will give it a further look when I have more time and a bigger computer to work on. A netbook in a bar is not the best working environment.

orrr you could just leave it. I mean HOW much analysis do we need here. :P

It's ok. Just admit you were probably wrong on it and move on. It's probably THIS level of nitpicking that gets on other posters nerves. It's not a competition to prove who's right to the nth degree. The whole who's a better driver debate in here sometimes reminds me of Sega Vs Nintendo arguments from years ago. :(

Lets analyse something else.

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I'd say more Hamilton and Vettel.

Massa is hopeless in the wet! Hamilton and Vettel are both rain masters, but both are prone to hot-headed mistakes.

All 3 could be accused of not being the "whole package" though with regard to strategy. Massa especially who seems to need Smedley to direct him at all times.

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Bruciebabie

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I'd say more Hamilton and Vettel.

Massa is hopeless in the wet! Hamilton and Vettel are both rain masters, but both are prone to hot-headed mistakes.

All 3 could be accused of not being the "whole package" though with regard to strategy. Massa especially who seems to need Smedley to direct him at all times.

Massa appears to have been good in the wet through all his career.

Silverstone last year was an aberration because it was impossible for the Brawn to generate tyre heat.

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I'd say more Hamilton and Vettel.

Massa is hopeless in the wet! Hamilton and Vettel are both rain masters, but both are prone to hot-headed mistakes.

All 3 could be accused of not being the "whole package" though with regard to strategy. Massa especially who seems to need Smedley to direct him at all times.

Plus also that Vettel can't overtake relentlessly. Name me a race that he's ended up down the field and fought back through it. Look at Hamilton in China for example, why couldn't Vettel be doing he same?

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Massa appears to have been good in the wet through all his career.

Silverstone last year was an aberration because it was impossible for the Brawn to generate tyre heat.

By Brawn do you mean Ferrari, and by last year do you mean 2008?

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Bruciebabie

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Spain next.

The circuit eats tyres. Currently the Ferrari is lightest on tyres of the top 4 teams, Red Bull heaviest. With Hamilton as bad as the Red Bulls and Button up there with the Ferraris. Mercedes somewhere in the middle.

So the Red Bulls will be fastest again but will be screwed in the race.

If everyone has similar strategies and it is dry then it looks like Button Vs Alonso for the win. If it is wet then Button Vs Alonso.

Throw in 3 stopping in the dry for Hamilton and the Red Bulls and anything can happen.

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