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marsh

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I think Buttons building quite a good championship. If he can win races by not being the fastest then how can he go wrong? Lewis is of course much quicker, and he will win races, but Buttons allready outscoring him by driving a little bit smarter. 4 pitstops vs 2? he did well to come second.

I'm also fairly certain that Schuey will have his day once more. He's suffering from a whole host of things that previously he had total control over.

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Bruciebabie

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Why am I a Hamilton fan because I think he's a better driver than Button? If I was a fan of anyone in particular on the grid it'd probably be Vettel.

P.S. Surely you realise that driving skill can't accurately be measured by the number of podiums/wins/points you have? Vettel would have been way out front if it wasn't for his dodgy car.

I've not really seen Button do anything particularly spectacular for quite a while now, he just plods along carefully and seems to have been fairly lucky with his race decisions and reliability.

I suggest that you enhance your understanding of the dynamics of driving a high powered single seater.

Vettel has huge holes in his ability, speed is not enough. He was hopeless yesterday. Again.

Patches of aggression are not enough. In fact they often do Hamilton more harm than good. He makes lots of mistakes. It might be entertaining for the football mentality fans but it is not motor racing.

Button was peerless yesterday, pulling out a substantial lead three times (because of the safety cars) over everyone else. In the third (or probably fourth) fastest car. It was not just his brilliant tyre choices, it was also his superior speed when he was on the same tyres as everyone else.

As I keep saying, F1 is about scoring points. And all last season (in what was not the fastest car for most races) he showed how to do this. A new season, a new car and a new team-mate and Button is showing all the others, once again, how to do it. These are the facts.

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rafaqat

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By qualifying and finishing behind him.

When are the Hamilton fans going to open their eyes to reality.

F1 is not about flashes of aggression, it is about scoring points.

Yet you went on about Button overtaking more people that Hamilton when he was in the Honda a couple of pages back. :facepalm:

Personally I think they're different drivers and one is not BETTER than the other.

Depends on what you like watching. Someone who can be consistent and score points regularly via good tyre management and smooth driving or some impulsive young driver who fucks up occasionally with his drive to overtake. They're entertaining in different ways.

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Bruciebabie

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If he can win races by not being the fastest then how can he go wrong? Lewis is of course much quicker,

You obviously watched a different race to me yesterday and a different championship.

Button has outqualified Hamilton 3 to 1 so far this year, how does that make Hamilton faster?

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marsh

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Fastest laps so far 2010:

Bahrain

Fernando Alonso Ferrari

Australia

Mark Webber RBR-Renault

Malaysia

Mark Webber RBR-Renault

China

Lewis Hamilton Mclaren Mercedes

In fact Jenson isn't close to troubling the top 5 up until yesterday. So over a single lap, he's not faster than anyone else and hasn't been all year. The redbulls are far faster than any other car over a single lap but have piss all to show for it.

It's a simple tale of the tortoise and the hare so far this year. He is undoubtedly building a very good foundation to regain his title. Winning races where on paper he should be top 5 at a push.

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Bruciebabie

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It's a simple tale of the tortoise and the hare so far this year. He is undoubtedly building a very good foundation to regain his title. Winning races where on paper he should be top 5 at a push.

How far was Button ahead when the safety cars were used?

iirc 50 and 20 seconds, some tortoise.

Button is not top 5 at a push. He is current, undisputed number 1. Reigning WDC and leader of this year's WDC.

In a slower car than Alonso, Vettel, the Cobbler, Massa etc. He is showing them up.

Obviously all this will change over the season, but Button was imperious yesterday.

Brundle says he is the best overtaker in F1. One magazine last year had a panel of experts who said Button was the best ever in the wet. And he is incredible in high speed bends, just look at the sector times. He is just far more complete in his skills than Hamilton or Vettel. Button = Prost. Hamilton = Mansell. Approximately.

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I think you're getting a bit carried away. Imperious wouldn't have included have a small off at the end of the long straight.

and a very very confused start with most of the field pitting for inters. anyway lets not go round and round in circles.

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Sigourney Beaver

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Lewis proves yet again that he's a much better driver than Button, if not the best on the grid

I feel that Button has easily put Hamilton in the shade so far this season. Hamilton knows it and is starting to scratch his head about it. I'm a huge Hamilton fan because I love watching drivers you can see giving it a good go but Button is growing on me. He's won two races he really had no business to and is leading the championship in not-the-best car. For me, this is the season where he's proving how good he is, not last year even though he won the title.

Anyway, what about Red Bull? The fastest car, one superb driver, one good-on-his-day driver and pots of cash. Yet the car breaks down, and the drivers and team make mistakes. They obviously don't want to win a championship coz if Button capitalises on any more poor form from them, he'll start to have a commanding lead in the championship.

And we all know how devastating he was in Spain last year. If the circus makes it to Catalunya, I reckon we're in for a thriller.

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Halo

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Hamilton is exciting to watch because he's so aggressive, but repeatedly gets himself into positions where he has to work ridiculously hard to get anywhere, and ends up taking a lot of risks in the process. Button has shown he's able to do just as well by making some canny decisions and being reliable, consistent, and a tiny bit dull.

I certainly think the 7-1 Button bet is much better value than the 3-1 Hamilton bet. I also reckon Vettel at 3-2 is too low (despite thinking he's a good driver with the best car), and that it says a lot that Webber is 25-1.

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Timbuktu

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You have to presume Hamilton messes up in every qualifier or make some mistake somewhere (was hoping for a grid penalty for him in the next race... :blah: ) I'm sure he won't be much more exciting than Button when he leads. It's working well for McClaren though, Hamilton seems to have got on the nerves of every driver apart from Button.

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Has Button overtaken Hamilton this season? Hamilton's managed the same thing on him twice so far this season hasn't he?

One of which was near the start of the infamous "whose idea was it to bring me in" race, in which Hamilton would have easily beaten Button to the chequered flag without that "terrible decision" as I recall.

Button has been really lucky so far from where I'm standing, it seems indisputable to me that Hamilton has been the best performer over all (excluding probably Vettel). I'm not saying Button's a bad driver, he's great - and it's not that I dislike him either, I was delighted when he won it last season. I just don't see how some have come to the conclusion that he's the best driver in the field.

He'd probably be hard-pushed to get into my top 3 to be honest, unless it was judged mainly on how well they can control their tyre wear.

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Timbuktu

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Button would probably never have Hamilton's pure pace and aggression, but Hamilton can certainly do a lot better if he can learn a bit from Button's judgment i.e. not the smooth driving style, more the ability to read the conditions and to be bold enough to make the calls and not just rely on the team.) I mean, it might have taken more guts from Button to make those calls than any particular overtaking move that he might make.

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Hamilton has done more on the track in terms of overtaking, but Button has the better strategic brain and is also a smoother driver.

It's interesting, at the start of the season people were wondering how Mclaren could make a car that would suit both drivers.

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