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New points system

Interesting new points system. 1st to 10th paying out with 25 for the win. I like th esound of this new Todt chap, he's got some good ideas. ;)

Is it going to make that much of a difference though? The ratio between first & second remains the same, they've just multiplied it by 2.5. To make winning the goal again rather than playing it safe for points I think they need to increase that gap, go back to 10, 6, etc.

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So then Mickey shoes is all but set to announce a return tot he fold. Personaly i think it's a mistake. There, i've said it. I dson't think he'll be fast enough and i think he has nothing left to prove. Why come back and risk his reputation as one of the best, when he hasn't raced competatively (apart from the ROC thing) in 3 years.

Usually I'd agree with you in this kind of situation but in this particular case, I feel differently for some reason. It's probably because he was so dominant back in the day and all his incredible achievements are set in stone. Like you said, he has nothing left to prove so this seems to me like something he's doing because he's bored and fancies a bit of fun. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't matter. I'm sure I'll be in the minority in thinking that though.

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Is it going to make that much of a difference though? The ratio between first & second remains the same, they've just multiplied it by 2.5. To make winning the goal again rather than playing it safe for points I think they need to increase that gap, go back to 10, 6, etc.

I think their only intention was to change the point system to take account for the expanded grid. As you say it is almost exactly the same system as before, just some of the differences between the lower positions being altered slightly. Bit of a missed opportunity really, whilst making what's supposed to look like a big change they could have actually changed it as many fans have been wanting. At least with 25 as the new maximum there's more room to adjust the points gap between the positions should they want to.

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80589

Apparently Virgin have the lowest budget but that's ok because they're going to win on talent.

If only every other team in F1 history had considered at some point they might want to hire good people instead of just randomly pulling people off the street in Swindon town centre.

Or of course they've all been hiring the best they can get forever and paying them more than Virgin and it's a retarded idea that somehow you'll out-talent the entire field.

One of the two.

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Kobayashi -> Sauber?! Awesome news. Even after 2 races, this guy looks fucking awesome. Kobayashi vs. The Hulk vs. Senna should be an exciting battle even if Bruno is in a rubbish car.

Schumacher at Mercedes - I hope it happens if only so that I can see Schumacher vs. Lewis. Shit man, that makes me all tingly and stuff.

Then toss Alonso vs. Massa into the mix - 2010 is shaping up to be...... :wub:

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80589

Apparently Virgin have the lowest budget but that's ok because they're going to win on talent.

If only every other team in F1 history had considered at some point they might want to hire good people instead of just randomly pulling people off the street in Swindon town centre.

Or of course they've all been hiring the best they can get forever and paying them more than Virgin and it's a retarded idea that somehow you'll out-talent the entire field.

One of the two.

And we (the British taxpayers) have just invested in them!

http://af.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/i...E5BD09H20091214

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No Prodrive next season then, Renault have chosen the investment firm. Gerard Lopez was talking about the need of F1 to make better use of modern technology and the internet which he has lots of experience in, so from that point of view it could turn out a positive for the fans, would have preferred Prodrive from a racing view though.

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Usually I'd agree with you in this kind of situation but in this particular case, I feel differently for some reason. It's probably because he was so dominant back in the day and all his incredible achievements are set in stone. Like you said, he has nothing left to prove so this seems to me like something he's doing because he's bored and fancies a bit of fun. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't matter. I'm sure I'll be in the minority in thinking that though.

that's an interesting point - if we see the Michael of his last race, or when he returned after breaking his leg, it can only be a good thing. but I can't believe he'd start a season with the mindset of having nothing to lose, he's just too much of a winner, whatever it takes.

I'd love him to prove talent over age though :D

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How long do you think the likes of Lopez and Branson are goin gto hang around as they bounce around at the back of the grid ?

Branson has been blinded by Brawn telling him it was all down to Ross, seemingly fogettign to mention the billions of dollars Honda invested in the company for all those years. So when Brawn cleans up and drives around at the front of the field all year long Branson thinks.

"This is a piece of piss, couple of million and i get a team and i can hang out at the front of the grid and meet othjer buisness types and sell a few finacial packages and a seat to the states or two."

Which is all well and good when you have a Merc in the back of the car. Put an untried and by all accounts thirsty motor at that, and things aren't so rosey. How much will fighting the other back markers for the honour of being dead last damage the Virgin brand or the Skype brand for Lopez.

These people aren't coming in becuase they have petrol in their veins and a desire to push technology on. As much as the Motor manufacturers were only in it to sell their cars, there was a trickle down of technology to teh car on the high street. Improved safety, and better economy can be attributed to motorsport. Manufactures desire to win, and improve their brand imagine, improved the racing because they understond what racign is fundamentaly about. A car, and engine and a driver going as fast as they can.

What does Branson know about racing other than he'll be able to sell more flights on his planes.

these people are needed to win races, you need their money. But are we just swapping out one bunch of business fools for another. Enzo whored the Ferrari brand out to anyone that was willing to pay through the noes. Chapman sold the paint job of his car to afford to pay the work force. But they did it to keep racing into next week.

I worry that we're entering a period where teams will appear one year and not the next, as business men get bored of being last and not winning. You can try and buy victory in F1 but you still need to have it in the DNA of the comapany. With Branson in London, Wirth in the carbon triangle, Llyods in Scotlansd. Where is the racign DNA. yes Wirth has build the very successful Acura cars in the ALMS series this year. But tehy were only successful when Audi and Peugoet wern't there.

I don't think this is going to end well for these back of the grid teams

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It's just part of the rich tapestry of F1 though, look how many shit teams kicked around at the back of the grid in the 80's and early 90's, osela, talbot, fondmetal, dallarra, andrea moda the list is longer than my memory allows but they all pissed away small fortunes before either selling up or going bankrupt.

It's just history repeating, and the carnage and a few upsets it may bring make it all the more worthwhile. It does piss me off that the likes of prodrive get shunned for a group of investment bankers that want an F1 toy to play with for 12 months. But there you go. They might even bring some new talent to the fore which would otherwise not have happened.

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It's just history repeating, and the carnage and a few upsets it may bring make it all the more worthwhile. It does piss me off that the likes of prodrive get shunned for a group of investment bankers that want an F1 toy to play with for 12 months. But there you go. They might even bring some new talent to the fore which would otherwise not have happened.

I think they do also have some sort of sports management company with young drivers, so I'm sure they'll use the team to bring some of them through.

I would have preferred to see Prodrive get it, would have been interesting to see what Enstone would do for their other racing activities. There again I really didn't like the idea of Red Bull coming in and running a team, did seem like a cynical advertising attempt, but it's turned out really well in the end, they're a serious team so you never know how this will end up.

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It's the prodrive and Lola thing that really really annoy me though.

However, the rumour is that USFoff are expecting a car to materialise out of Bernies pocket come January 1st. Maybe that 1:1 scale model Lola built during the summer won't have been a waste of time after all ;)

American made, just like their drivers ...

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It's just part of the rich tapestry of F1 though, look how many shit teams kicked around at the back of the grid in the 80's and early 90's, osela, talbot, fondmetal, dallarra, andrea moda the list is longer than my memory allows but they all pissed away small fortunes before either selling up or going bankrupt.

It's just history repeating, and the carnage and a few upsets it may bring make it all the more worthwhile. It does piss me off that the likes of prodrive get shunned for a group of investment bankers that want an F1 toy to play with for 12 months. But there you go. They might even bring some new talent to the fore which would otherwise not have happened.

Interestingly, two of the ones you list there are involved with the new teams for 2010, although one of them is Dallara, who made cars for BMS Scuderia Italia but never actually had an F1 team as far as I remember.,

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Interestingly, two of the ones you list there are involved with the new teams for 2010, although one of them is Dallara, who made cars for BMS Scuderia Italia but never actually had an F1 team as far as I remember.,

Dallara was an F1 team, running Ferrari customer engines...

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