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Bruciebabie

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Will we ever see Trulli at or in an F1 car again???

think of the children!!!

There are 4 new teams, remember.

And not many experienced, current, F1 drivers.

Experience is at a premium now that there is no testing, as we have seen with multiple rookie failure.

So Trulli will be in demand! But probably not at the stratospheric salary Toyota paid him.

Current best guess is Lotus.

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gone fishin

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I recon they won't even try selling it.

They must surely be thinking of getting "something" for their investment- some of the tech must be worth something to a new team. Although reading their press release they are saying that they will continue in Motorsport, what else do Toyota do these days? They're out of the WRC, they have a little to do with North America (Nascar, I believe, but I don't really watch it). All that gubbins they've bought must be worth a couple of groat!!

Quick, let's all chip in and start an F1 team!! :unsure:

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mexos

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They must surely be thinking of getting "something" for their investment- some of the tech must be worth something to a new team.

Let me expand a little on what I meant - I don't think they will sell it as a going concern. The individual parts would be broken up and sold separately - i.e., the tooling machines, the factory, transporters etc. Anything that has Toyota IP in it wouldn't be sold.

They (as a company) feel that they have failed. I get the feeling selling the team would only enhance this for them. Crazy, but that's my hunch.

Also Cologne isn't exactly a great place to run an F1 team from. Money overcomes a lot of this, but if you were being frugal and setting up a team you'd really want to be in Motorsport Valley to take advantage of all the suppliers and expertise already there.

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Bruciebabie

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Let me expand a little on what I meant - I don't think they will sell it as a going concern. The individual parts would be broken up and sold separately - i.e., the tooling machines, the factory, transporters etc. Anything that has Toyota IP in it wouldn't be sold.

They (as a company) feel that they have failed. I get the feeling selling the team would only enhance this for them. Crazy, but that's my hunch.

Also Cologne isn't exactly a great place to run an F1 team from. Money overcomes a lot of this, but if you were being frugal and setting up a team you'd really want to be in Motorsport Valley to take advantage of all the suppliers and expertise already there.

There are rumors of 650 redundancies in Cologne.

The reason they are there is because it was the base for Team Toyota Europe (TTE) which ran their WRC campaign.

When Tom's Toyota ran Le Mans and F3 stuff it was from Norfolk, UK.

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Bruciebabie

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Wow, really? Where you getting the info?

All I can find in the French press is this: http://www.rmc.fr/edito/sport/93716/quel-avenir-pour-la-f1/

Which translates to:

What future for F1?

Guillaume Navarro (RMC Sports) - RMC.fr on 04/11/2009

Honda, BMW, Bridgestone, Toyota ... the biggest names in F1 desert. Heavy dark clouds of economic origin accumulate over the most prestigious motorsport.

Inter-season 2008-2009: Honda announces its withdrawal from Formula 1 because of the global economic crisis. Thunderclap and Shockwave in the paddock. Discipline realizes she is not spared by the crisis and financial difficulties. Ross Brawn then launched a rescue plan and gets the team, although roughly trimmed. A few months later, he won the drivers and constructors titles under the name GP Brawn ...

The story, if she is beautiful, yet hides the difficulties encountered by many protagonists of motorsport. Financial difficulties, worries image, and pulling more and more important in justifying a huge investment in F1, where production lines are closing or idling, and car sales stagnated including emerging markets. The era that opens all ecological matters worse. The major manufacturers will find it more from the message to convey and what is available on F1's most beautiful routes in the world.

Thus, after ten seasons at the top as a team and engine manufacturer BMW has also laid down their arms and played in Abu Dhabi his last Grand Prix. Bridgestone tire supplier Japanese team throughout the plateau, has meanwhile decided not to pursue the adventure beyond the 2010 season. The cause? The lack of advertising return recoverable. The monopoly of Bridgestone and victory assured every weekend race does not actually conduct an effective campaign. In Japan, Toyota has announced its immediate withdrawal from F1 because of the need to redirect its resources on its engineering and investment more down to earth. The best marketing would he have the discretion?

The return of "artisans"

An outing that also considers Renault for some time. Threatened a year ago, the F1 program was saved in extremis by Flavio Briatore in a win in Singapore acquired in circumstances that we know now rigged. Backlash Ironically, this same Grand Prix which will be so detrimental to the image of the diamond stable this year, bringing Carlos Ghosn and Renault executives to re-list the advantages and disadvantages to be involved in F1. And when do the accounts, it is clear that the benefits column stalled.

The F1 is moving perhaps towards a new era: that of mega-brands like Red Bull or Virgin, they also present risk to behave as vanes to appreciate the global economic environment. More importantly, signs of a return to F1 teams independent multiply. The F1 will she saved by the return of "craft"? Williams and Ferrari, with roots more deeply rooted, are the finest specimens ...

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mexos

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Would Toyota look at Honda and not want a repeat of that ? Their team name is taken over by the managment team and then goes on to do everything Honda couldn't do.

Has Brawns victory, damaged Hondas brand image ?

Not in the eyes of the joe blogs public, but to those who are really into their F1 it's made them look like senile James Hunts.

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dam_aks

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Not in the eyes of the joe blogs public, but to those who are really into their F1 it's made them look like senile James Hunts.

I pretty much agree with this.

The Brawn story has been pretty feel good. Positive press, rescue, rise to glory. It hasn't really been about having a pop at Honda. At least in the UK anyway.

I'd be surprised if Toyota didn't shut it down fully as I just get the feeling it's what they'd do. However, as with Honda I don't think you're average member of the public would think Toyota messed up if by some miracle they pulled a Brawn out the bag.

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zxcvbnm

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unless your off to the Mercedes-Benz live event on Sunday ;)

I've got tickets for this that I can't use now (have to take my daughters to see fucking disney on fucking ice on the same day). If anyone wants them, PM me and I'll forward the email link onto you.

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Would Toyota look at Honda and not want a repeat of that ? Their team name is taken over by the managment team and then goes on to do everything Honda couldn't do.

Has Brawns victory, damaged Hondas brand image ?

Maybe it was because of the relationship Ross Brawn, and the rest of the guys, had with Honda but it's very surprising to see a Japanese company stand back and let someone else run with it... and then win in their first season. That's pretty humiliating from a Japanese corporate point of view. I agree that Toyota will probably sell off the assets, but they won't sell the team as a going concern.

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Not in the eyes of the joe blogs public, but to those who are really into their F1 it's made them look like senile James Hunts.

Apparently Ross completely changed the way the team worked - getting the different stages of the design, testing and manufacturing silos all talking to each other properly instead of working in their own little sheds. Made a huge difference according to a presentation I saw on it.

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Brooklands it is, on the first purpose built racing circuit in Europe i believe it was, I think Indianapolis was built before it, possibly Monthery in france (i think) but i'm sure it was one of the first.

Anyway, just inside the M25 at the Byfleet train station.

If you ever get a chance, go and see the museum at Brooklands. the Banking is awsome.

brooklands_1447436c.jpg

200mph, no belts, no helmet, no safety what-so-ever. and a fucking great 16 litre aero engine 2 inches in front of you. This track was for MEN only.

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Tickets have gone - have fun choddo.

Here's the itinerary for the day:

Powered by Mercedes-Benz Live is set to be a thrilling day with spectacular performances and live action on the circuits at Mercedes-Benz World. The car parks will be open from 7am on the day with the gates for the event opening at 9am. The event will start at 10am with the following already confirmed:

* Special appearances from Lewis Hamilton, Heikki Kovalainen and the Vodafone McLaren-Mercedes Grand Prix car

* Driving action from the Brawn GP team

* Special appearances from David Coulthard and Mika Hakkinen

* DTM driving action from the Mercedes-Benz Team

* Live action from the Formula 3 Euro Series

* Live interviews with the Vodafone McLaren-Mercedes Grand Prix and Brawn GP Teams

* Autograph sessions

* Live outdoor action on the tracks

* Fun driving activities for all the family including AMG hot laps, kids driving, off-roading and blindfold tests (charges apply).

The event will finish at 3pm.

If you can get Hakkinen and Coulthards autographs for me, I'd be a happy chappy.

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