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MrPogo

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Although had he DNF the last three races then Vattel would have probably picked up a couple more points.

Maybe. Vettel was in front of Button for each of the last three races anyway, but I guess Webber might have pulled a Piquet in the closing laps of Brazil if that would have kept his team mate's chances alive...

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Shit race, glad I was working.

Yeah, I don't know if it's because a lot of people didn't seem to try that much, due to it being the last race, or if it was the track. I have a feeling, as well as it's been designed, it's going to be one of those tracks where you just can't overtake, probably due to the fact as soon as you go off the line- there's fucking sand everywhere so you lose grip. I noticed it when Button was trying to overtake Webber, there's really a tiny bit of the track (by the end of the race) that's "clean".

I'll wait until a couple of years of racing on it, but it does seem to be like most of the modern tracks- amazing facilities, fantastic panoramic shots and really shitty racing. But then again, it's all about corporate hospitality....

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Bruno Senna driving for Campos next year...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8311919.stm

I don't know how good he is (noticed he finished 2nd in GP2), but it will be interesting to see how he compares with Rosberg and Piquet Jr. He's 26, which means he would have been only 11 when Ayrton died, which means he won't have picked up that much "knowledge" from him. So it will be interesting to see if he's got it because of his talent, or because of his name.

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He didn't cover himself in glory when he drove in sportscar, i think there are better young drivers out there without a famous name.

Interesting, I did think that he seems to be abusing his name quite a bit. I suppose he will bring some sponsorship value for the first year.

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Agent L

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With all the talk of Tilke circuits looking impressive but giving drab races it got me thinking about if I were to have a spare £500m to spend building a facility for my garage full of exotics and ex race cars on my spare land what would I do?

It's not as easy as I thought it would be to come up with something unique and exciting that doesn't just involve copying the best corners from existing circuits.

Elevation changes would be a main requirement for me though. What about you?

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Obviously one of the main issues is aero, but if we're talking about the influence of the track, rain is the first thing, but what's happened is any long straights have had chicanes put in (for health and safety I assume), so there's less chance to capitalise on a good corner exit.

Abu Dhabi has got it just right (given that it can't have rain), by having the straights as long as possible, and the two straights separated by one complex so if you defend after the first one you're likely to compromise your run into the second. Shown perfectly by Webber and Button on the last lap. I think it's a great track. Remember Kobayashi and Button traded places a couple of times in sectors 1 and 2, and several people passed Grosjean using the back straight.

The cars can't follow as closely through sector 3 due to the turbulent air through those higher speed bits, but with it's off camber corners and tight run-offs there's always chance of the lead driver making a mistake and coming into sector 1 with a tail.

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Agent L

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Offer a decent existing circuit the prospect of significant investment and a lucrative future but stipulate that certain onerous commitments must first be met in a short timescale, forcing the current owners to overstretch themselves before I make my low offer...

;) But also oh so sad :D

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Bruciebabie

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With all the talk of Tilke circuits looking impressive but giving drab races it got me thinking about if I were to have a spare £500m to spend building a facility for my garage full of exotics and ex race cars on my spare land what would I do?

It's not as easy as I thought it would be to come up with something unique and exciting that doesn't just involve copying the best corners from existing circuits.

Elevation changes would be a main requirement for me though. What about you?

Which is his best Tilke circuit? Turkey maybe.

The problem is that F1 cars are so massively capable that they need space in which to strut their stuff.

Spa, Silverstone, Monza.

Spectators prefer Mickey Mouse sections where they can see the cars move around in a succession of fairly slow corners, hence the building of the Luffield complex at Silverstone.

Overtaking is best at the end of long straights. Preferably into very tight bends, as at Spa.

Street circuits are usually boring. It is like flying a Typhoon fighter jet around inside the hangar.

Valencia and Singapore are unfit to be F1 circuits.

Monaco was an almighty challenge. It has been sanitised to keep the precious drivers safe, but still rewards bravery and skill. With no overtaking.

Put the drivers on the Grune Holle to sort out who really is the best!

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the intersting thing with Senna, is that there are no current F1 teams willing to take him on. After being blown out by Brawn after Honda pulled out, he's had a couple of middling runs in sports cars and not a lot else. He's hung around the F1 pits but no one want to talk to him it would seem. Williams have even picked up Hulkenburger instead.

Which i do find suprising. Even force india feel they don't need the money the name would bring with it.

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I think they've all got cars now. Even the yanks annouced they'd hired a lock up in spain to put it in the other day. How much track time they'll see in Oz next year is another thing.

How hard could it be to convert an indycar into an F1 car.....

I'm being nasty, unreasonably so. They're all going to get burned even if they stick around for a couple of years, Simtek were going well till the wing fell off and killed the driver, the only name I can see lasting more than two years is Lotus. I would have hoped that BMW or what's left of it could get a grid slot, but only cause I want to see 28 cars blasting round a track and the obvious comedy value that leaders tripping over back markers brings.

So, the boy Kobeyashi, how has this unknown been propelled to the centre stage? I've read lots about F1 drivers past and present, where they've been for a test and nursed the car round, done a couple of quick laps, and then appeared later at a totally different team when another driver has come along, driven the wheels off the car and handed it back to the owners a smouldering mess. Do we have here someone naturally talented? or utterlly ruthless and uncompromised while behind the wheel? Lets face it the car's a bit of a dog so he must be doing something right?

Senna and force india? don't need the money I don't think, they've had quite a season and the cash that comes with it. Provided of course the course is high speed. Trulli did them another favour by picking on Sutil, who should have just beat the little turd to within an inch of his life.

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With all the talk of Tilke circuits looking impressive but giving drab races it got me thinking about if I were to have a spare £500m to spend building a facility for my garage full of exotics and ex race cars on my spare land what would I do?

It's not as easy as I thought it would be to come up with something unique and exciting that doesn't just involve copying the best corners from existing circuits.

Elevation changes would be a main requirement for me though. What about you?

Bits with split tracks where you can select to go on the left or right path for a couple of corners to try to gain an advantage! That would be fucking awesome.

But mainly, just a track with many overtaking opportunities. Abu Dhabi's middle section with the straights was really good, I thought. More of that, please. And big hills. And, FFS, a bit of good old-fashioned risk. Corners like Eau Rouge, where you don't lift off the throttle but every bone in your body screams at you to do so.

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gerald.d

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Abu Dhabi has got it just right (given that it can't have rain),

Actually, at one point last week there was a forecast of 30% chance of rain in AD for the weekend.

If things really need to be livened up, the folks here have been known to occasionally carry out a few cloud seeding experiments, so it's by no means beyond the realms of possibility for it to rain on race day :unsure:

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Bruciebabie

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Next year's rules.

There seem to be 8 main things going on.

1) Significantly narrower front tyres. Changes aero and handling. Will favour certain drivers.

2) Maximum 26 cars instead of 24. Lots more back markers. Nearly a third more cars compared with 2009.

3) Minimum car weight 620 instead of 605 Kg. To allow for heavier drivers like Kubica and Webber.

4) Dustbin lid wheelcover banned. They are overtaking preventers.

5) No refuelling. Very heavy cars on the grid. Will favour gentle drivers.

6) No KERS. Press to prevent being overtaken is no more.

7) 8 cars out in each of Q1 and Q2. 10 cars in Q3. Crueller cuts.

:unsure: Q3 in low fuel configuration. At last, this will be the fastest laps of the weekend.

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