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McSpeed

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What were they talking about? It was clearly not overly friendly words, but the details would be good to know.

I think it was a point in the race in which Alonso was driving somewhat recklessly with Massa around, possibly almost running him off-track.

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JPR

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What were they talking about? It was clearly not overly friendly words, but the details would be good to know.

Massa didn't like Alonso's overtake move, which apparently did used to happen in F1, at the Nürbürgring 2007.

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Teflonso has never been a team player, and will always stick the knife in whenever he gets the chance. I confidently predict that he will last one season at Ferrari and the Tifosi will hate him from day one. They might not have liked schumacher, but they did appreciate he was the best there was, who always drove for the win. Teflonso has no passion and is a snide and sneaky driver. He's bloody good, maybe the best around. But i wouldn't trust him any further than i could comfortably spit a rat.

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Bruciebabie

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Teflonso has never been a team player, and will always stick the knife in whenever he gets the chance. I confidently predict that he will last one season at Ferrari and the Tifosi will hate him from day one. They might not have liked schumacher, but they did appreciate he was the best there was, who always drove for the win. Teflonso has no passion and is a snide and sneaky driver. He's bloody good, maybe the best around. But i wouldn't trust him any further than i could comfortably spit a rat.

I think he is a nice guy.

Somewhat misunderstood by the English.

Especially the press and Hamilton fanbois.

What is absolutely for sure is that he is easily the best driver currently in F1.

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Don't worry about the lack of overtaking though the OWG are on it. But instead of changing the cars, we should be looking to redesign every corner on all the tracks. I guess he's usually been busy whilst the GP2 races where being run. :lol:

I don't know how he can say on the changes for this year "It hasn't been a huge success, but it hasn't been a huge failure," they where made with the sole purpose of increased overtaking and we haven't had it, we look set to have less overtakes than last season. Hardly things that inspire you with confidence that they'll get the problem sorted.

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DarthSquirrel

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I confidently predict that he will last one season at Ferrari and the Tifosi will hate him from day one.

I think Massa will get tired of it all and be off after the first year. I think Ferrari have sold their soul to Santander and Alonso is too entrenched now for commercial reasons. When Alonso left McLaren Santander still had the marketable Lewis Hamilton. I doubt Santander would be too pleased if Alonso walked after a year into their (3 year?) deal leaving them with Massa and Fisichella (unless they can fix Schumacher).

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Bruciebabie

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Your so wrong it hurts.

Twice world champion against Schumacher in the Ferrari and Kimi in the McLaren.

He was WDC without having the best car.

He is tactically so astute and manages both his car and the race better than anyone on the grid.

Watch him change his drive style to "rough" if he has a cold tyre problem. Then watch him change his drive style to "super smooth" if there is a tyre wear problem.

Button could do with learning how to do the former and Hamilton is only slowly learning how to do the latter.

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Bruciebabie

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He is good but not the best.

He is certainly not the fastest, he says so himself.

Kimi is.

And both Button and Massa can be quicker when the car is working for them.

However Alonso can hold big pace for a long time. Not one lap like Trulli and Webber. Not a handful of laps to leapfrog during a pitstop like some of the others. No Alonso can do it for the whole race if necessary, it is part of how he won his WDCs. The powers of concentration this must take are enormous and very rare.

I think Vettel can also do this. But he can't overtake and makes lots of mistakes.

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Kimi is.

You'll have to concede then that your previous statement (to paraphrase): "Button is quicker than Hamilton because he oversteers less" is in error, otherwise you'd also have to conclude that Button is quicker than Kimi. (You mentioned that Kimi "prefers oversteer").

To be fair the statement is valid in the general case where we're talking about drivers learning to go quick. There's a tendency to over drive which feels faster because there's more action going on. As you get closer and closer to the ideal though it becomes less clear cut, and it turns out that tyres usually work at their best when they're dancing somewhere just over the limit, somewhere only the best drivers can hold them.

Of course the amount depends on tyre compound, temperature, which will depend on the car setup, so it's almost impossible to really say who is quickest independent of car and situation.

The "best" driver is the one who wins the championsip. Where "best" is a combination of skill, luck, and all the other variables.

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