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doing that will just place him straight back into the midfield after his 1st pit.

yeah, but he'll be full of fuel and able to knock out a regular pace with his smooth style (usually) - plus, everyone will still have to pit at some point, so he wouldn't have conceded much, if anything. especially in the wet where the pace is so much slower, i'd have thought the extra weight of being full of fuel is less of an influence on lap times - but i may have that wrong!

my main point was keeping him out of trouble. if all he needs is a podium, just play it safe and make sure you get to the end would be the first thing - a quick car or a great driver are worthless when you're shiny bit of carbon fibre and wheels is sat on the back of a tow truck :)

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Reb Bull took a 1-2 in China.

You're thinking of Malysia, 2nd race of the season.

Malaysian GP 2009.

Button was well in front, in the dry, by the time the rain came.

The whole track only became wet on lap 31 (intermediates between 19 and then). Race stopped lap 33.

So two laps in full wet, hardly the most complete test of a car's wet weather capabilty.

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Paddy power. Odds for winner: http://www.paddypower.com/bet/motor-racing...oc_grp_ids=7323

Alonso at 25/1 and Kimi at 14/1 look very cheap. Worth an each way?

Kobayashi at 100/1 whilst Nakajima is 200/1 looks silly to me. They might both be less than star quality, but the ratio is well wrong.

Official FIA Classification applies. Singles and upwards accepted

S Vettel 2/1

H Kovalainen 25/1

K Kobayashi 100/1

L Hamilton 3/1

F Alonso 25/1

V Liuzzi 150/1

M Webber 7/1

N Rosberg 28/1

S Buemi 150/1

R Barrichello 8/1

A Sutil 33/1

K Nakajima 200/1

J Button 10/1

N Heidfeld 33/1

R Grosjean 200/1

K Raikkonen 14/1

R Kubica 33/1

J Alguersuari 300/1

J Trulli 20/1

G Fisichella 66/1

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Except fish, they are the only things that can thrive in the rivers on the circuit.

I still remember the wet race a few years ago where the drainage exit from the grandstand was above turn 2 (before they redid the pit exit). The carnage that caused was immense, can we have it back please.

That was incredible - it was like a river running across the track, even Schumacher was caught out by it, wasn't he?

And can I just add the I like the new Brucie - he seems to have calmed down now and fits right in.

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doing that will just place him straight back into the midfield after his 1st pit.

Field spread is larger in the rain. If he was in the lead and pulling away in clear air with 100% visibility, even after a short stint and a longer fill he could pull out enough of a lead to come out 5th and in relative safety.

Start 8th-15th in the rain & you takes your chances. No point in a full tank and a good strategy if you don't make the first lap.

I would expect them to fuel him light. Go for safety.

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Will they even get the race to the half points stage if it really buckets down?

Good point: if it ends on half points or less, Vettel can't win the championship even if he comes first and Button nowhere. Rubens could still do it by 1 point only.

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The white pit lane speed limit line is just before the blind crest before the bridge. Seeing how dusty the track was someone is bound to come to grief on that corner causing absolute mayhem for anyone behind them. That would be immense, seeing loads of peoples strategies go to shit because someone bins it on the pit exit.

Track didn't look that exciting with constant chicanes and switchbacks breaking up following cars but there did seem to be a couple of places that looked like possible overtaking spots. Hard to tell when driven at that speed but I think after the first chicane there is a left turn then an uphill acceleration which could be good for the KERS cars.

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In other news, Lotus break cover with a full size wind tunnel model. Do we think they'll be there, as far as i can find, they're the only new team to show anything like a car for next year ...

Lotus F1

Apparently Trulli is going ot be their Number 1 driver. That'll be them fucked then :hat:

Everything you see there, the wing, the nose and the sidepods, looks very generic.

Presumably a whole pile of supercomputers doing CFD non stop for 18 months with all the teams has found the optimum shape for this generation of rules. So next year all the cars will look the same.

We started the season with a needle nose on the Red Bull and a super wide nose on the Renault. They have now converged to, presumably, the optimum width.

Likewise Ferrari started the season with wing mirrors on the top of vertical wings and now everyone has copied them.

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First lap of Abu Dhabi.

More like a proper racing circuit than a street circuit, as if they designed the circuit first and put the buildings in later. Huge runoffs for instance.

Obviously it is a KERS circuit and a brake killer. Lewis for the win.

Aero will be really difficult to set uo with 4 X 200 mph straights and all those low speed corners.

Several good overtaking spots.

The GP is sold out which is amazing when you see all those grandstands and look where it is in the world.

It will be fascinating to see F1 cars on it in anger. It could be very good.

And, yes, it is inevitable that sooner or later someone bends it in the pit exit tunnel.

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