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Bruciebabie

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Brawn wants a big rule change to reduce aero grip and increase mechanical grip.

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=47125

I agree with this 100%. As long as they don't increase the mechanical grip too much.

Get rid of as much of the aero as possible then watch the drivers earning their pay.

Eau Rouge and Copse would be worth watching again.

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myoozikk

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Brawn wants a big rule change to reduce aero grip and increase mechanical grip.

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=47125

I agree with this 100%. As long as they don't increase the mechanical grip too much.

Get rid of as much of the aero as possible then watch the drivers earning their pay.

Eau Rouge and Copse would be worth watching again.

interesting,

I like the idea of this, as long as we don't have anything like the double diffuser where people figure out the rules differently.

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Agent L

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The difficulty with rule changes such as that is how do you then class F1 as the pinnacle of motorsport which is the aim that they try to achieve? Lowering the aero grip is a bit of a step backwards in that case, what if a lesser series went faster round the same tracks! I'm all for it too though if they could get the regs right.

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Christoph84

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The difficulty with rule changes such as that is how do you then class F1 as the pinnacle of motorsport which is the aim that they try to achieve? Lowering the aero grip is a bit of a step backwards in that case, what if a lesser series went faster round the same tracks! I'm all for it too though if they could get the regs right.

Exactly, ultimate lap times and close racing are mutually exclusive entities. If you reduce aero efficiency, sequential gearboxes etc, it is no longer the pinnacle of motorsport, but the racing would be improved. I'm not saying a compromise could not be found, but it would only ever be a compromise.

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mexos

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interesting,

I like the idea of this, as long as we don't have anything like the double diffuser where people figure out the rules differently.

Err, that's the nature of innovation in this business. See an opportunity that your rivals haven't, and make it work. Are you saying you'd prefer everyone to run exactly the same spec?

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myoozikk

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Err, that's the nature of innovation in this business. See an opportunity that your rivals haven't, and make it work. Are you saying you'd prefer everyone to run exactly the same spec?

i didn't see it that way at all, but having one feature from an not crystal clear set of rules splitting the whole field in 2 for half a season wasn't great from a fan point of view IMHO

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mexos

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Exactly, ultimate lap times and close racing are mutually exclusive entities. If you reduce aero efficiency, sequential gearboxes etc, it is no longer the pinnacle of motorsport, but the racing would be improved. I'm not saying a compromise could not be found, but it would only ever be a compromise.

But this has been going on for the last 20 years. If the designers and engineers weren't reined in to the ridiculous extent that they are the cars they would produce would be so fast that the human body simply wouldn't be able to copy with the forces. The speeds would be ridiculously dangerous, all the tracks would need x5 the run off areas etc etc...

We are to an extent already compromised (hell the in a few ways the 93 Williams is more hi tech than todays cars). I don't think manual gears would be a step back. It would be a modern interpretation of an old technology. Reining in aero is no different. There would be cutting edge aero on the cars still. Just less of it.

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Agent L

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Is the call for manual gears just the want for the drivers to have to operate a clutch again? They still shift up and down themselves, just by means of a paddle rather than a gear stick and clutch. They even still control the clutch to a small extent (on the grid etc) it's just a hand clucth. The cars are definitely still manual, just in a very modern way.

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mexos

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Is the call for manual gears just the want for the drivers to have to operate a clutch again? They still shift up and down themselves, just by means of a paddle rather than a gear stick and clutch. They even still control the clutch to a small extent (on the grid etc) it's just a hand clucth. The cars are definitely still manual, just in a very modern way.

My beef with today's manual gears would be that there is 0% chance of a driver fluffing a change when under pressure. Fluffing changes was a prime cause of many an overtaking move.

Driving the cars isn't hard enough. A 19 year old with fuck all testing experience shouldn't be able to just jump straight in and be more or less on the pace. TRU FAX.

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Agent L

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I think this years testing ban has shown pretty well that the new boys are far from finding it easy. They can get round a lap (or even make race distance) but being anywhere near competitive is proving impossible.

Should F1 cars be significantly harder than GP2 for example? A high power single seater is going to be relatively similar to drive isn't it.

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My beef with today's manual gears would be that there is 0% chance of a driver fluffing a change when under pressure. Fluffing changes was a prime cause of many an overtaking move.

Driving the cars isn't hard enough. A 19 year old with fuck all testing experience shouldn't be able to just jump straight in and be more or less on the pace. TRU FAX.

This, has anyone tried changing a gear on a single seater? it's a twat to get it right in a formula ford, the old 6 speed H gates on an F1 car must have taken some skill to nail consistently.

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Sidewaysbob

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Yeah, none of the substitute drivers have covered themselves in glory this year. Even moving from one car to another has proved difficult for Fisi. let's not forget he was second in Spa and not becuase everyone else slid off or had mechanical problems.

This year has shown pretty well i think that these cars are difficult to drive and that the drivers do earn their money .. well except for trulli of course. that goes without saying.

the idea that any old chav could get in one and have the car driver itse;f to glory, may be wishful thinking on our part

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It's a twat to get it right in a formula ford, the old 6 speed H gates on an F1 car must have taken some skill to nail consistently.

At the same time though they didn't have to adjust brake balance, diff lock, rev limit etc. Lewis putting the car in neutral on pit exit last week for example could've lost him a place or two.

Admittedly probably not as entertaining as fluffing a shift.

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At the same time though they didn't have to adjust brake balance, diff lock, rev limit etc. Lewis putting the car in neutral on pit exit last week for example could've lost him a place or two.

Admittedly probably not as entertaining as fluffing a shift.

And there was more chance of someone overtaking, so you'd have to have been on it rather than passing them in the pits.

A little less aero problems and back to manual shifters, then we might even see the hamster struggle as I'm fairly certain he's never driven any form of single seater in anger with a manual box. The same could be said for all of them bar old man rubens.

It's a very difficult thing to do, even more so at speed and being harrassed by other drivers. The gates are incredibly small and precise.

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myoozikk

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It appears that crashgate Piquet has come up with lots of money for the new Spanish Campos Meta F1 team.

All they have to do is select him as one of their drivers.

Which at least one of the key people in the team is not keen to do. But money talks.

Campos Meta website: http://www.camposmeta.com/

i'd really hate to see piquet back in F1. He got off with that whole thing far to lightly.

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