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Bruciebabie

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The F1 championship didn't start until the 1950 season but the regulations where put in place in 1946. But September 1946 at the Turin GP, so after the Albi GP, it was the same cars that they where using earlier in the year though. So I guess technically he did enter a race conforming to the new F1 regulations but he didn't win an official F1 race.

And in 1947 he took part in F1 races.

F1 1947 events: http://www.chicanef1.com/calendar.pl?year=1947&nc=

Nuvolari 1947 events: http://www.tazionuvolari.it/corse.html#1947

And in 1948 there he is again racing in F1 events.

Events: http://www.chicanef1.com/calendar.pl?year=1948&nc=

Nuvolari race list: http://www.tazionuvolari.it/corse.html#1948

so when Dudley said:

"I love when I have a chance to be pedantic.

Tazio never entered an F1 race. although he did win a single race in a car that would eventually be used in a season."

He was pretty wrong.

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Bruciebabie

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C&P from Mail:

EXCLUSIVE: End of the road for Donington as British Grand Prix is left without a home

The British Grand Prix, one of the jewels of the sporting summer, has no home this morning after Donington Park's attempt to stage the race met an all-too predictable doom.

Yesterday (Friday) was the deadline by which the Leicestershire circuit had to satisfy Formula One's commercial supremo Bernie Ecclestone that they had adequate funding in place to host the world championship's oldest race from 2010.

As Ecclestone left his offices in Kensington, London, on Friday night, no such assurances had been given.

'This is the final deadline - 200 per cent,' said Ecclestone. 'It's not good is it? Even if they come up with the money they can't build the circuit in time.'

Donington's PR machine were frantically trying to claim that they could persuade Ecclestone over the course of the weekend that their plans could yet work. And this being Formula One, nothing can be ruled out.

But it remains extremely doubtful whether Donington can raise the required money in two days - £50million to get the scheme going for one year and more than double that to secure the event in the long term - when they have failed to do so over the last 18 months.

Even then, as Ecclestone said, what about the reconstruction which must be complete by July?

Donington's exit leaves the future of the British Grand Prix, which hosted the first Formula One race on May 13, 1950, in doubt. The obvious alternative is Silverstone, the race's most regular home.

Robert Brooks, chairman of the British Racing Drivers' Club, which owns Silverstone, confirmed last night: 'We have continued to keep open all lines of communication about staging the race and we remain ready, willing and able.'

Ecclestone is no fan of the BRDC. He has traditionally seen the members as blazers. But they have worked hard to turn Silverstone into a modern, first-rate business and relations are not as frosty as they once were.

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so when Dudley said:

"I love when I have a chance to be pedantic.

Tazio never entered an F1 race. although he did win a single race in a car that would eventually be used in a season."

He was pretty wrong.

Only in the same way you where by saying Nuvolari was an F1 winner. I think it's a bit of a stretch to put Nuvolari in a list of F1 drivers as it's not really where is achievements where. Like saying A.J. Foyt is one of the best F1 drivers because he happened to race when the Indy 500 was part of the F1 Championship and I think his achievements certainly warrant him being up there on the list of top drivers.

I think it's a shame that it's usually lists of F1 drivers now and not just drivers. Would be great if F1 drivers did go and do other motor sport events more regularly as they used to do, not likely to happen though.

Not really a surprise about Donnington, could turn out quite well for Silverstone though as it might give them some leverage over Bernie. Do wonder what will happen with Donnington though, already started some work but I doubt the money will be there if F1 is taken back to Silverstone and they've lost their other major event the MotoGP.

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Lists are shit. Top 10, 100 etc lists are even shitter.

I'm with bob on this one. They're even shitter when listing divers of different eras. How can you possibly compare them?

And I wish you'd cut out the childish posting style Bruce. It's highly annoying.

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Ha Ha Ha,

You are completely wrong.

Although the F1 championship only started in 1950 there were races under F1 rules from 1946.

Here is a list of the 1946 F1 races: http://www.chicanef1.com/calendar.pl?year=1946

And here is a list of all Nuvolari's races: http://www.tazionuvolari.it/corse.html#1946

He even won an F1 race. The Albi GP on July 14 1946.

Ha Ha Ha

Nice try but no. The F1 name wasn't used officially until 1950 nor was the race Tazio won in 1946 an actual sanctioned Grandes Épreuves anyway. The Albi GP was sanctioned as a "Formula A" race, although the ruleset was near identical to what would eventually become F1.

While the public had already started using "Formula 1" as a name, we're being pedantic here, and especially if you're going to be a gloating prat you need to be a correct one and the fact is Tazio NEVER entered a race under anything officially called Formula 1.

This is by no means the only source but let's use it

http://www.conceptcarz.com/view/racing/rac...racingClassID=4

First defined in 1946 by the Commission Sportive Internationale of the FIA, forerunner of FISA, as the premier single seater racing category in worldwide motorsport, the name Formula One was widely used early on and became official in 1950.
The first contest to be labeled an 'International Formula One' race, on April 10, 1950, Juan Manuel Fangio won the Paul Grand Prix in a Maserati.

Tazio of course had already unofficially retried by this point. In any case, even if we blindly accept your premise his record of 1 win and a few bad finishes in 3 years of "F1 rules racing" hardly qualifies him as a greatest ever F1 driver unless you think that Loeb's record in WRC would immediately make him a great F1 driver because he's tested the Red Bull car.

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To the best of my knowledge, the FIA have always said that F1 racing and the world championship started in 1950 at silverstone i believe. Farrini won and then went on to win the First F1 Champinship.

They might have been using a form of rules that would become F1, but they didn't officiall call it that. so you know. Technically, in all sences of the words. Nuvalari never won an F1 race. He won championship races, but they weren't a unified coded F1 rule set as we would recognise it today.

Har har and indeed haaaaaar

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pfft, they were fucked the moment Bernie said they had the race. He'll still get to keep all the money they've given too.

Back to the air field it is then, unless Brands has some spare cash :angry:

Brands does, sadly what they don't have is planning permission to make the modifications thanks to idiot hippies that buy homes next to a race track that's been there 80 years and act surprised when it's a bit noisy occasionally. They're already only allowed to use the grand prix loop a few days a year.

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Brands does, sadly what they don't have is planning permission to make the modifications thanks to idiot hippies that buy homes next to a race track that's been there 80 years and act surprised when it's a bit noisy occasionally. They're already only allowed to use the grand prix loop a few days a year.

Fucking hippies are my new sworn enemy. All some people care to do is moan about the odd day of noise as the air fills with the rumble of octane being burned.

Gets on my bastard tits.

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To the best of my knowledge, the FIA have always said that F1 racing and the world championship started in 1950 at silverstone i believe. Farrini won and then went on to win the First F1 Champinship.

They might have been using a form of rules that would become F1, but they didn't officiall call it that. so you know. Technically, in all sences of the words. Nuvalari never won an F1 race. He won championship races, but they weren't a unified coded F1 rule set as we would recognise it today.

Har har and indeed haaaaaar

From Wikipedia:

The Formula One series has its roots in the European Grand Prix Motor Racing (q.v. for pre-1947 history) of the 1920s and 1930s. The "formula" is a set of rules which all participants and cars must meet. Formula One was a new formula agreed after World War II in 1946, with the first non-championship races being held that year.

From F1corporate website:

Formula One is rooted in European Grand Prix motor racing of the 1920s and 1930s. The foundation of Formula One was formed in 1946 with the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile's (FIA's) standardisation of rules.

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From Wikipedia:

The Formula One series has its roots in the European Grand Prix Motor Racing (q.v. for pre-1947 history) of the 1920s and 1930s. The "formula" is a set of rules which all participants and cars must meet. Formula One was a new formula agreed after World War II in 1946, with the first non-championship races being held that year.

From F1corporate website:

Formula One is rooted in European Grand Prix motor racing of the 1920s and 1930s. The foundation of Formula One was formed in 1946 with the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile's (FIA's) standardisation of rules.

Fine whatever. Let's agree to disagee. okay

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Bruciebabie

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Another rookie in F1 for Brazil.

This time it is Kamui Kobayashi. Replacing the injured Tim O'glock.

Judging by all the other rookies we have seen this season (except perhaps Buemi) there will be another mobile chicane during the race.

The new no testing rules make it nearly impossible for even very good drivers to get accustomed to an F1 car before having to drive one in anger.

Kamui Kobayashi wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamui_Kobayashi

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Bruciebabie

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Red Bull crafty.

As we know this season there is a ban on most testing, to save money. However with testing you can learn a lot.

In the Japanese race last weekend Webber was effectively out of the race early on with a number of niggles, but his car was still working perfectly.

So his team decided to treat the race as a bonus test session. They kept bringing him in to try different things on the car, including three different front wings during the race.

The changes they made ultimately ended up with him setting the fastest lap of the race, so the test session worked!

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Bruciebabie

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You note he ignored my post.

You know, the one proving him wrong.

Can't you read!!!

I love when I have a chance to be pedantic.

Tazio never entered an F1 race. although he did win a single race in a car that would eventually be used in a season.

I then comprehensively proved that Tazio drove in F1 cars in F1 races for three seasons 1946,7 and 8.

Because the F1 rules were formulated by the FIA in 1946 and they ran F1 events for 4 seasons before starting the F1 championship with the 1950 race at Silverstone.

So your pedantry was wrong.

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