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Bruciebabie

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It's worth bumping this, engines don't cost anything close to that. A YEARS WORTH of engines does. (Namely 16 engines, delivery, all servicing, the loan of employees to handle them etc)

It's an important distinction.

Sorry if I am wrong and misled you.

It is just that I read this in the BBC article:

"We unanimously decided that by 2011 an engine will cost £4m, compared to the £16m plus they used to cost," he said.

Which, looking back, is more than a bit ambiguous.

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Sidewaysbob

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the rosberg rumour has been going around since the start of the year. Lewis and Rosberg bing bezzy mates and all.

That and Merc wanted a german in the car next year .. etc etc hence the Brawn rosberg runour when Merc announced that they were buying into Brawn.

Rosberg is moving, it's a qustion of where, and will be the next big announcement. the fulcrome if you will, after teflonso

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1) Damon Hill

2) Michael Schumacher

3) Nigell Mansell

4) Mikka Hakkinen

5) Lewis Hamilton

6) Jenson Button

7) Fernando Anando

:D Aytron Senna

9) Martin Brundle

10) Nelson Piquet Jr.

1. Timo Glock

2. Luca Badoer

3. Ralf Schumacher

4. Sebastian Buemi

5. Nelson Piquet Jnr

6. Jano Trulli

7. Heikki Kovelienen (sp)

8. Kazuki Nakajima

9. Vitantonio Liuzzi

10. Bruce Everiss

:facepalm:

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Your top 10 F1 drivers of all time.

Mine, to get things going.

1) Jim Clark.

2) Tazio Nuvolari.

3) Gilles Villeneuve.

4) Michael Schumachter.

5) Juan Fangio.

6) Fernando Alonso

7) Alain Prost.

:facepalm: Jackie Stewart.

9) Ayrton Senna.

10) Kimi Räikkönen.

1) Lewis Hamilton

2) Lewis Hamilton

3) Lewis Hamilton

4) Lewis Hamilton

5) Lewis Hamilton

6) Lewis Hamilton

7) Lewis Hamilton

:D Lewis Hamilton

9) Lewis Hamilton

10) Lewis Hamilton

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JPR

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I heard that McLaren are going to have all the drivers next season.

FIArri say McLaren aren't allowed that, but of course they're going to let Ferrari do it, Todt showing his bias already. I hear that McLaren will actually be announcing James Allen next week. As he'll get on great with Hamilton and he'll have no problems sharing his set ups with him, and Whitmarsh said He can't be any slower than Hekki. Last stumbling blocks are the restraining order Lewis has and James needs to change his sons name from Enzo to Lewis Anthony Ron Allen.

Latest rumour is that Mercedes won't be taking Rosberg to Brawn, instead they've decided in their desperation to find a German driver to join up with Bernie who is also desperate to get some good publicity for F1 and Launch German Racing X Factor. Eddie Jordan, Michael Schumacher and Tamara Ecclestone are set to be the judges, though some say they might have scored an own goal by getting Max in as the guest judge for the fancy dress show.

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Bruciebabie

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Ooooh, Sabestian Bourdais is currently taking part in the GP2 test being held at Jerez at the moment.

And Loeb.

Pos Driver Team Time

1. Marcus Ericsson ART 1m25.970s

2. Dani Clos Racing Engineering 1m26.105s

3. Fabio Leimer Ocean 1m26.193s

4. Jerome D'Ambrosio Racing Engineering 1m26.483s

5. Luiz Razia Barwa Addax 1m26.546s

6. Marco Bonanomi Coloni 1m26.607s

7. Oliver Turvey iSport 1m26.648s

8. Davide Valsecchi Super Nova 1m26.651s

9. Alexander Rossi DAMS 1m26.740s

10. Roldan Rodriguez Arden 1m26.846s

11. Chris van der Drift Piquet 1m26.858s

12. James Jakes Super Nova 1m26.956s

13. Will Bratt Coloni 1m27.137s

14. Bruno Senna iSport 1m27.173s

15. Rodolfo Gonzalez Ocean 1m27.186s

16. Edoardo Mortara Arden 1m27.311s

17. Michael Herck DPR 1m27.327s

18. Filip Salaquarda Trident 1m27.421s

19. Max Chilton Barwa Addax 1m27.438s

20. Francesco Castellacci Durango 1m27.615s

21. Fabio Onidi Trident 1m27.698s

22. Jan Charouz ART 1m27.845s

23. Jon Lancaster DAMS 1m27.893s

24. Vladimir Arabadhziev Piquet 1m28.059s

25. Sebastien Loeb DPR 1m28.114s

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Dudley

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Ooooh, Sebastien Bourdais is currently taking part in the GP2 test being held at Jerez at the moment.

Edit: Doh, I meant Loeb. Too many Sebastien !

Although for DPR. A team so bad that in a spec series they couldn't score a single point all year.

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15. Rodolfo Gonzalez Ocean 1m27.186s

He needs an F1 drive, the lol's we could have with that name.

The only way piquet could get a drive back in F1 is if his old man moves one of the GP2 teams up the ladder, now flavs fucked off that might happen.......

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Sidewaysbob

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Your top 10 F1 drivers of all time.

Mine, to get things going.

1) Jim Clark.

2) Tazio Nuvolari.

3) Gilles Villeneuve.

4) Michael Schumachter.

5) Juan Fangio.

6) Fernando Alonso

7) Alain Prost.

:rolleyes: Jackie Stewart.

9) Ayrton Senna.

10) Kimi Räikkönen.

Okay, heres the thing with that list. I'm pretty sure you've never seen Nuvolari or Stewart or Clark race. I don't know how old you are, but i'm guessing you're in your late 40's maybe early 50's so i suppose you could have seen clark and stewart race. But you would have been too young to really get them and what they were doing. It's sort of likeing Manchester United because they won loads of stuff and all your mates liked tham.

Now i know in most "he was really ace an i loved him" racing driver poles, that clark, Gilles and the rest all apear, because they are regarded as being really ace and stuff by the writers and spectators of the day. But only because it's accepted wisdom that they are ace and stuff. the writers of today read the old reports about the old races and repeat as gosspil the old addims ... clark better than stewert and hill and loda etc etc.

I know i'm not qualified to list anyone in my top ten who i didn't see race. So for me it's start in the mid 80's with Senna, Mansell and Rosberg and ends today with Mickey shoes, Hamilton, teflonso and Kimi.

Anything before them, i have no idea if they are as good as Mickey shoes and hamilton. Fangio for instance. Won all thos Gps and defined post war racing and is not as good as clark who died in a GP2 race. Surtees and Hawthorn. arguably better than Kimi for winning more not in your list

so a drivers top ten is always a personal thing, but is esential menaingless. Because you never saw Nuvalari or Fangio turn a wheel in anger. So how can you say they arn't as good as Clark ?

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Bruciebabie

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I suspect that most of us form our judgements after seeing our F1 on television. Well, you can see Nuvolari etc on television too!

Villeneuve in a shagged car:

Fangio onboard, the car dancing, no seatbelt and drum brakes:

A legendary drive:

Nuvolari, in vastly inferior machinery:

Jim Clark onboard:

Jim Clark tribute:

And read the Wikipedia about what they did:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Clark

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tazio_Nuvolari

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Manuel_Fangio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_Villeneuve

Also read the books, there are loads of them by people who were there.

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Sidewaysbob

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But that's only there because everyone says they were great. Yes the records show Fangio won all those championships and races, But he alsways claimed Moss was just as good a driver as he was, Except Moss never won the F1 championship or Le Mans or Daytona.

Driving racing cars has changed over the years. Back in the day Moss was driving an Aston one weekend and a BRM the next, They were far more versatile in that era. So are they better drivers than Schumaceer becuase he only won he world championship 7 times and got a Podium at Le Mans.

I say it's impossible to compare drivers from different eras. Even drivers from the 80, and 90's have different qualities. Turbo era to 3.5 litre screamers. Pre war V16 monsters to V8 Audi's.

And most driver top tens never really move away from F1. so drivers like. Mcnish, Capello, Mowlem, O'connel never get mentioned becuase they didn't win an F1 race they're rubbish. Yet they've all won Sports carchampionships.

Pre war there's Birkin and seamen. Hitler of all people said Seamen was one of the best drivers who drove for Mercades, and i believe the only non german to race a german car ( i could be wrong there. Ceratchiola may have drive for Auto unioon. i'll check). Birkein and the Bently boys dominated endureance racing before WW2 wining Le Mans 6 times.

But because there isn't any film of them doing this (or not much anmyway) they never get named checked.

So these lists are just personal things and pretty meaningless to me. great drivers don't all have to be post war F1 champions.

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Dudley

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Your top 10 F1 drivers of all time.

Mine, to get things going.

2) Tazio Nuvolari.

I love when I have a chance to be pedantic.

Tazio never entered an F1 race. although he did win a single race in a car that would eventually be used in a season.

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Bruciebabie

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I love when I have a chance to be pedantic.

Tazio never entered an F1 race. although he did win a single race in a car that would eventually be used in a season.

Perhaps I should have said Grand Prix driver.

Major victories

Year Location Vehicle

1924 Savio Circuit Chiribiri Monza (1.5 litre)

1924 Polesine Circuit Chiribiri Monza (1.5 litre)

1924 Tigullio Circuit Bianchi 20 (2 litre)

1927 Rome Grand Prix Bugatti T35

1927 Garda Circuit Bugatti T35c

1928 Tripoli Grand Prix Bugatti T35c

1928 Pozzo Circuit Bugatti T35c

1928 Alessandria Circuit Bugatti T35c

1931 Targa Florio Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 Monza

1931 Coppa Ciano Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 Monza

1932 Monaco Grand Prix Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 Monza

1932 Targa Florio Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 Monza

1932 Italian Grand Prix Alfa Romeo Type B/P3

1932 Grand Prix de L'A.C.F Alfa Romeo Type B/P3

1932 Coppa Ciano Alfa Romeo Type B/P3

1932 Coppa Acerbo Alfa Romeo Type B/P3

1933 Tunis Grand Prix Alfa Romeo 8C 2600 Monza

1933 Alessandria Alfa Romeo 8C 2600 Monza

1933 Eifelrennen Alfa Romeo 8C 2600 Monza

1933 Nîmes Grand Prix Alfa Romeo 8C 2600 Monza

1933 Belgian Grand Prix Maserati 8 cm

1933 Coppa Ciano Maserati 8 cm

1933 Nice Grand Prix Maserati 8 cm

1933 RAC Tourist Trophy, Ards MG K3 Magnette

1934 Modena Grand Prix Maserati 6c 34

1934 Naples Grand Prix Maserati 6c 34

1935 Pau Grand Prix Alfa Romeo Type B/P3

1935 Bergamo Circuit Alfa Romeo Type B/P3

1935 Biella Circuit Alfa Romeo Type B/P3

1935 Turin Circuit Alfa Romeo Type B/P3

1935 German Grand Prix Alfa Romeo Type B/P3

1935 Coppa Ciano Alfa Romeo Type B/P3

1935 Nice Grand Prix Alfa Romeo Type B/P3

1935 Modena Grand Prix Alfa Romeo 8c-35

1936 Penya Rhin Grand Prix Alfa Romeo 12c-36

1936 Hungarian Grand Prix Alfa Romeo 8c-35

1936 Milan Grand Prix Alfa Romeo 12c-36

1936 Coppa Ciano Alfa Romeo 8c-35

1936 Modena Grand Prix Alfa Romeo 12c-36

1936 Vanderbilt Cup Alfa Romeo 12c-36

1937 Milan Grand Prix Alfa Romeo 12c-36

1938 Italian Grand Prix Auto Union Type D

1938 Donington Grand Prix Auto Union Type D

1939 Belgrade Grand Prix Auto Union Type D

1946 Albi Grand Prix Maserati 4cl

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Bruciebabie

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I love when I have a chance to be pedantic.

Tazio never entered an F1 race. although he did win a single race in a car that would eventually be used in a season.

Ha Ha Ha,

You are completely wrong.

Although the F1 championship only started in 1950 there were races under F1 rules from 1946.

Here is a list of the 1946 F1 races: http://www.chicanef1.com/calendar.pl?year=1946

And here is a list of all Nuvolari's races: http://www.tazionuvolari.it/corse.html#1946

He even won an F1 race. The Albi GP on July 14 1946.

Ha Ha Ha

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Ha Ha Ha,

You are completely wrong.

Although the F1 championship only started in 1950 there were races under F1 rules from 1946.

Here is a list of the 1946 F1 races: http://www.chicanef1.com/calendar.pl?year=1946

And here is a list of all Nuvolari's races: http://www.tazionuvolari.it/corse.html#1946

He even won an F1 race. The Albi GP on July 14 1946.

Ha Ha Ha

You say he is completely wrong, go on to say F1 didn't actually start until 1950 and then provide examples of him racing in 1946?

"Ha Ha Ha" indeed.

Maybe I've got this whole time thing down wrong, but I think 1946 was before 1950.

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Bruciebabie

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You say he is completely wrong, go on to say F1 didn't actually start until 1950 and then provide examples of him racing in 1946?

"Ha Ha Ha" indeed.

Maybe I've got this whole time thing down wrong, but I think 1946 was before 1950.

You have a comprehension problem.

Go back and read it one word at a time.

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JPR

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You say he is completely wrong, go on to say F1 didn't actually start until 1950 and then provide examples of him racing in 1946?

"Ha Ha Ha" indeed.

Maybe I've got this whole time thing down wrong, but I think 1946 was before 1950.

The F1 championship didn't start until the 1950 season but the regulations where put in place in 1946. But September 1946 at the Turin GP, so after the Albi GP, it was the same cars that they where using earlier in the year though. So I guess technically he did enter a race conforming to the new F1 regulations but he didn't win an official F1 race.

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