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Anyone still thinking button deserves the championship?

I think he deserves it, yeah he's been a bit off-form recently but then he's never been in a similar position before- at least Rubens has been in a constructors winning team (with Schumacher winning the drivers) so he has some experience of that level of pressure. It's all probably a bit overwhelming for Button- did he really expect to be in this position at the start of the year (in fact, did anyone?)

Maybe that's why he's getting the stick, or maybe because it's so similar to Mansell losing it in 86 and 91. And let us not forget, he has won 6 races so far this year- that's a really respectable number. Maybe the "Schumacher" effect has made us forget about the times when drivers didn't win a shit load of races in a year- I mean Senna won his title in '91 with just seven wins and 96 points (yeah, one less race, but Button should also have 5 more points due to the Malaysian result).

As I've said before, if he does lose it to Rubens, then I certainly wouldn't be too upset- this could literally be Rubens' last chance at a title.

However, I think if Vettel wins it.. he wouldn't deserve it, purely because the Brawn drivers will have thrown it away.

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Christoph84

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That overtaking chart should be put in front of the FIA at the end of every race with a memo saying "BRING BACK THE FUCKING TURBOS".

I wonder how the fuel consumption would stack up between the current 2.4 V8s and smaller capacity turbo engines? Could it be viable for F1 to have, say 1litre engines that are boosted to fuck? :huh:

It's the way the world might be heading (rallying in 2011 with 1.6 turbos and more and more cars are shunning high capacity NA engines in favour of smaller boosted ones, BMW for example).

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I wonder how the fuel consumption would stack up between the current 2.4 V8s and smaller capacity turbo engines? Could it be viable for F1 to have, say 1litre engines that are boosted to fuck? :huh:

It's the way the world might be heading (rallying in 2011 with 1.6 turbos and more and more cars are shunning high capacity NA engines in favour of smaller boosted ones, BMW for example).

KERS could never be as sexy as a FUCKING HUGE RED BUTTON with OVERTAKE stamped beneath it. As seen in:

19782567_1204892176_1987_FW11B_1844.jpg

MADE OF WIN.

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I wonder how the fuel consumption would stack up between the current 2.4 V8s and smaller capacity turbo engines? Could it be viable for F1 to have, say 1litre engines that are boosted to fuck? :huh:

I'm pretty sure this is almost exactly what is planned. Will try and find it again. (The reason being primarily environmental).

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okay, technically was it Patrease or Piquet who drove Number 6.

But it still needed a brummy to drive it like the gods intended, then whinge for half an hour about how his hand hurt because of all the gear shifts he's had to make. :huh:

Semi auto gears are for pussies (say's me who's currently learning to drive automatic).

Bring back gears (and turbos!), and the mistakes and subsequent overtaking possibilities they brought when a driver under pressure screwed up a change. I've posed it before but here it is again. Just look at how hard he has to work!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnXlLGTNBCc...feature=related

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okay, technically was it Patrease or Piquet who drove Number 6.

But it still needed a brummy to drive it like the gods intended, then whinge for half an hour about how his hand hurt because of all the gear shifts he's had to make. :huh:

Only ever Piquet in that car. Patrese actually drove #5 when Mansell was injured but didn't join the team full time until 1988 when they were using judds.

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Bruciebabie

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Bring back manual gears, that would spice the action up something cronic.

The reason they don't have manual gears is cost.

With manual gears whilst racing it is very easy to change down too early and over rev the engine, and damage it.

Floppy paddle, seamless, gearboxes protect the engine from being over revved like this, they won't change down unless it is safe to.

This is possibly the main reason that F1 cars are so reliable these days.

F1 engines were costing £16 million each (now coming down to £4 million http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7718682.stm ).

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Montezemolo also revealed that he smashed a television set after watching McLaren's Lewis Hamilton snatch the world title from Felipe Massa at the final Grand Prix of the season at Interlagos.

"I broke the television, I must tell the truth," he said.

"When a television breaks it makes a terrible bang. My daughter in the other room was given an awful fright.

"Luckily we had another television so I was able to watch the podium ceremony, which I enjoyed."

:lol:

I'm predicting an LCD and not CRT there.

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Bruciebabie

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How the fuck does a factory engine cost 16M+?!??!

They are made of unobtanium.

Basically they push materials technology to, and beyond, the very limits of human knowledge.

Here is a wiki about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materials_science

One of the ways the FIA has tried to cut costs is by banning "exotic" materials in engines.

But this is doomed to failure because you can take any metal and create extremely costly treatments to modify its crystal structure, optimising it for a given task.

Look at Maraging Steel for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maraging_steel

The most effective cost cutter has been reducing maximum engine revs to 18K. This has cut the need for exotics.

I have been of the opinion that they should increase F1 engine capacity to say 3.5 litres and reduce the rev limit to say 12K (whatever gives the same bhp).

Or add a turbo to the existing engine and reduce the rev limit. Once again to keep the bhp the same.

This would have three benefits.

1) Lots more torque making it easier to break traction and thus better demonstrating driver skill.

2) Engines would be a whole lot cheaper to make, substantially reducing costs.

3) Far more relevance to real world engines, so more feedback into what we drive. Especially in the zero fuel stop era that is coming where fuel economy will be important.

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Bruciebabie

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Higher peak torque wouldn't make it easier to break traction if the power remained the same, as far as I understand!

Here you go: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/four-wheel-drive1.htm

You can see this in Caterfields.

Put a V8 high torque engine in and you are steering it with your right foot.

Put a low torque motorbike engine in of the same power and you aren't.

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Bruciebabie

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The numbers for Button's WDC.

Current standings (with 2 races to go):

01 Jenson Button 85

02 Rubens Barrichello 71

03 Sebastian Vettel 69

04 Mark Webber 51.5

05 Kimi Räikkönen 45

06 Lewis Hamilton 43

07 Nico Rosberg 34.5

08 Jarno Trulli 30.5

09 Fernando Alonso 26

10 Timo Glock 24

And here is the points system:

1st place: 10 points

2nd place: 8 points

3rd place: 6 points

4th place: 5 points

5th place: 4 points

6th place: 3 points

7th place: 2 points

8th place: 1 point

Button has 6 victories, so to beat him a driver needs more points, not the same.

Button's current lead is 14 points, so with 10 points for a win he just needs 6 more points to be unassailable.

So one third place or two sixth places out of the remaining 2 races and he has won the WDC, whatever Rubens and Vettel do.

Also it is not just Button, Vettel and Rubens in these races. There are other drivers who can and will be at the top of the points. Lewis, Nico and Kimi, for instance, will be in a position to take points out of those chasing Button. So Button could very easily win the championship even if he scores no more points.

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