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mexos

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I'd put my money on Mclaren. The turnaround they have achieved is staggering. That car still has plenty of flaws in that in-season development will never cure and still look at what they have done. Given just how much they have learnt about the new regs this year, and how much they have improved a shitbox of a car I'd expect next years machine to be a beast.

Add in arguably the equal best driver in F1 and the potential of a motivated Raik (stranger things have happened) and you could be looking at total domination.

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It's interesting looking at the final points tallies for prior seasons; there's a good chance the championship will be won with a total which wouldn't have beaten third any other year since they introduced the current scoring system (indeed Button may win it with his current 85, which only got him third in 2004 [albeit with two more races on the calendar that year]).

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I don't know about that. Brazil next and I'm expecting Rubens to be pumped up more than anyone. He can win this and really give Button a scare for the final round. Its going to be class...

It might be his home GP.. but his.. cough.. track record in Brazil is fucking shocking. Highest place is 3rd, with 16 (from my counting) races in Brazil he's retired 11 times, the rest of the results were 4,6,7 and 15th. Maybe he gets too pumped up at Brazil, and the nerves get to him, but his history at Brazil isn't great.

Button has had 9 races in Brazil, retired 3 times and placed 6th,10th,4th,7th,3rd and 13th in the others. At every single one of the races where he finished- he managed to beat Rubens. And that includes in the days when Ferrari's were the dominant team, and BAR/Honda were pretty shit.

I'm sure he would be happy with a 4th.. ;)

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Final round of BTCC though, what a race!!

It was amazing and being there was even better ;) The first BTCC race was amazing, a win by 0.015 of a second or something. Crazyness for car racing.

Had a crazy day of motorsport. Got up at 5am to watch the F1, then at 8 I left and travelled to Brands Hatch for the BTCC. Just got back at 8 and now watching recorded MotoGP. A perfect day... but very very tiring.

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After Qualifying, the stewards took all the names of the drivers 4th onwards, put them into a big hat, shook it for a bit then threw the names up into the air., then waved their arms around a bit then studied the innards of a recently sacrificed pigeon. After all of that they placed the names in a random order on the grid. We had more penalties here than an England football squad at the world cup. left right and centre. Not slowing down, being a rubbish driver, getting in the way, changing gearboxes and looking at the steward in a funny way. They don't do things by half in Japan.

Well done to Vettel with a fine display of car control. Whilst others (notably his team mates) attempted to crash test their cars on different bits of the circuits walls and tires. Vettel sailed through it all to keep his championship alive by the skin of it's teeth.

Button has a nightmare run and only just scrapes into the points again. He only needs to finish 4th in Brazil, but does anyone think he can ? Brawn pretty much stitch up the constructor championship, all they need is half a point and it party at the Brawn garage. Which they do deserve. They've had a fantastic reliability rate this year, with Button only having one DNF when he got punted of the track by a stupid soon to be fired Frenchman.

So Vettel takes a lights to flag win, much smiles and everyone is happy. Well done to him, He didn't feel the need to crash test his car at all, unlike Webber who tried hard to be utterly rubbish all weekend. Except he got the fastest lap out of no where with a few laps to go.

Trulli ... Second. To me there is no second place. really .. i mean it. He was lucky, and a little tiny wheeny bit faster than Hamilton. That's all. Managed to stay awake long enough to dedicate the result to Glock ... who's going to get fired in all probability at the end of the season along with Trulli. Shame for Glock, not for Trulli.

Hamilton was robbed of second. On a track that shouldn't have suited the McLaren's he want out and drove a solid race and proved why i think he's the second coming. Hunt down the rest of the result sheet to find Kovalainen. That's how good Hamilton is. If he'd had this car at the start of the championship, would we be cheering on Button now. I doubt it.

4th for Raikkonen, who spent most of the weekend walking in and out of the McLaren pits.

5th For Rosberg who doesn't get hit by the big bad BAN HAMMER OF FIA DOOM, common sense seems to have prevailed and Rosberg didn't get into trouble for racing back to the pits when the safety car came out. He's a lucky boy.

6th for Heidfeld, this weeks "was here there, i missed him entirely."

7th Barrichello, he can still win this thing, if only he can shake off his shadow. He has beat button by more points than this. He was faster than Button all weekend, but just couldn't deliver the result he needed. Considering he started in 6th ( i know, neither do i understand that) why is he here in 7th ? Rosberg didn't get that much of an advantage when he raced back to the pits. This has always been Barrichellos problem he can't turn it on like button when he needs to. Still Brazil next, let's see how he handles the pressure here then shall we.

8th and the last paying point for Button. He's going to make us sweat this one out isn't he. What is it about being English and just not beating the pants of everyone with 3 races to go ?

9th For Kubica, looking good for that Renault seat next year.

10th For Alonso, who can't wait for that Ferrari seat next year.

There you go, I think Button is going to do it still. but it's going to be squeaky bum time next time in Brazil

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Dudley

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Ah right. Only the FIA could make rules where people commiting the same offence at almost the same time end up receiving relatively completely different levels of punishment for it!

As a devils advocate. If I qualify 10th with a 5 place penalty and you 5th with a 10 place penalty, who starts 15th?

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Throbin Hood

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As a devils advocate. If I qualify 10th with a 5 place penalty and you 5th with a 10 place penalty, who starts 15th?

The 10 place penalty is a more severe punishment than the 5 place penalty. The guy with the 10 place penalty should start behind the guy with the 5 place penalty because the punishment is bigger and by inference the infraction more severe/dangerous.

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The question mark for me on Button is not that he's finishing 8th now rather than 1st, that can happen with the car.

The problem is having dominated his teammate when times where good he appears utterly clueless now, Rubens is suddenly beating him in most races when he couldn't get within 30 seconds before.

Button can't make the most of a car unless it's perfect and that's just a little worrying, Lewis for example has kicked Heikki round the place all year even when the car was bad.

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For me it's the fact that he built a massive lead up with Rubens while they were one of the few cars with a double diffuser. Once the others had figured that shit out they've been looking pretty ordinary. I hpe Rubens wins it. Then he should retire.

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Well, as Martin said in the forum. He's got more points than anyone else this season, so he kind of desreves to be leading the champinship.

There hasn't been anyone else who stood out really.

Barrichello is too flaky, he will fail in Brazil.

Vettel has been fast but inconsistant. Renault hasn't helped with its dodgy engines.

Webber choked as always onth ebig occation

Kimi spent the first half of the year asleep and the second half negotiating his pay off

Massa, was okay then got whacked

Hamilton had arubbish car, lied, got cought and is now turning it on.

Alonso was treading water until Ferrari signed the contract.

No one's really been consistant other than Button. He's paid his dues, cut the man some slack. He is british and that should be cheered.

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The problem is having dominated his teammate when times where good he appears utterly clueless now, Rubens is suddenly beating him in most races when he couldn't get within 30 seconds before.

He beat barrichello in Sinagapore. after Barrichello went to sleep and Button nailed it for 4 laps odd.

Barrichello isn't all that and he Whinges about not getting the same treatment. Always the last preserve of a number 2 driver getting beaten

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Blimey, check out the race times.

1 germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1 1:28:20.443 10

2 italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 2 1:28:25.243 8

3 great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 3 1:28:26.843 6

4 finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 5 1:28:28.343 5

5 germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 7 1:28:29.143 4

6 germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 4 1:28:29.943 3

7 brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 6 1:28:31.043 2

8 great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 10 1:28:31.843 1

9 poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 9 1:28:32.143 0

10 spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 16 1:28:33.443 0

11 finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 11 1:28:34.143 0

12 italy Giancarlo Fisichella 3 Ferrari 14 1:28:34.943 0

13 germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 8 1:28:35.343 0

14 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 21 Force India-Mercedes 18 1:28:36.143 0

15 japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 15 1:28:38.343 0

That's just very weird.

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It's interesting looking at the final points tallies for prior seasons; there's a good chance the championship will be won with a total which wouldn't have beaten third any other year since they introduced the current scoring system (indeed Button may win it with his current 85, which only got him third in 2004 [albeit with two more races on the calendar that year]).

Don't forget the half points race that he won, so he's five down of what he should be. Personally I think he deserves it so far, he was a different class at the start of the season and then has ground out some points from some tough situations, alot of which he got himself into but a lesser driver wouldn't have got rose out of them.

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