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morcs

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Wings don't really make that much different to the car follwing.

It's more that the car following is relying on its own wings for grip, which don't work anywhere near as well in turbulent air.

If they weren't relying on wings the car behind would be faster thanks to the lower air resistance of following in another's slipstream. The less intuitive fact is that the lead car actually gets a small decrease in drag (increase in speed) when it has a car following close behind! (It has to do with the air currents over the rear of the car, I have no idea how it works though).

Add more cars and you get even more increases in speed, explaining why NASCARs hunt in packs!

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Sidewaysbob

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I still say it's down to stupid narrow tracks and breaking distances being too short.

Anyway.

IT looks like the drivers for next year will be sorted out tomorrow.

Teflonso will go to Ferrari with Massa

Kimi goes to Mclaren with the Hamster

Rosberg goes to Brawn with Button who has to put up or fuck off

Hulkenburg and either Barrichello or Kubica at williams probably

and quite bizzarly ..and presumably because they don't want to win anything ever again ... Trulli back to Renualt, with Grosjean i suppose. If Trulli goes to Lotus (if they turn up) However then Kubica could go to Renault if Barrichello gets Franks limp handshake.

Toyota will get a couple of rubbish drivers ... if they turn up at all. Bourdais perhaps and Piquet, they're quite cheap at the moment.

It's more interesting than a race at Valencia isn't it :blink:

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the Loeb story has been going around for ages, It's all to do with Redbull promising him a one off drive if he wins WRC again of some such. It's a Redbull thing. He was alright at Le mans a couple of years ago. Nothing special, but better than Vilenurve was.

It'll be intersting to see how he goes, but i doubt theirs a full time seat in it for him. Unless they can strap the co-driver to the front wing :blink:

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That's not entirely true. The issue becomes whether to pit and get new tyres or stay on the ones that you are. Setting up your car for a race becomes a skill as well as managing your tyres.

I suppose we'll still have the 'prime' tyre... i.e. if someone can keep on (somehow) one set for a whole race, they'd still have to pit. Interesting to see what happens next year.

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the Loeb story has been going around for ages, It's all to do with Redbull promising him a one off drive if he wins WRC again of some such. It's a Redbull thing. He was alright at Le mans a couple of years ago. Nothing special, but better than Vilenurve was.

I've read that Seb Loeb now does some test drives for the DPR GP2 team. He's basically waiting for the call from Red Bull...

...but there is no space for him.

I don't think he would be such a good F1 driver. He should stick to his domain... even if it got boring for him. Maybe he should resign?

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Sidewaysbob

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Annoying i'll give you, but he wasn't shit.

He was one of the few drivers that came from america and got into an F1 car and won. Montoya was the last one to do it. Every other driver from north america has been a failure really. See Bourdais, Speed, Andretti (the younger) etc

He was shit when he started believing his own hype and got into the BAR. But he was still always commited. See the accident at Spa for instance, where he tried to drive through Eou Rouge flat out, in a car that was never going to go through flat out.

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He was shit when he started believing his own hype and got into the BAR. But he was still always commited. See the accident at Spa for instance, where he tried to drive through Eou Rouge flat out, in a car that was never going to go through flat out.

That's what I was getting at, and the resultant carnage from Eou rouge was spectacular. The problem I have with him is that he still thinks he's got it.

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That's a shock, didn't see that one coming. :wub: I imagine we'll see a lot of announcements now in the next few weeks.

I'm really excited about this, being wanting Alonso at Ferrari for a while now, can't wait for it. Just hope Ferrari and McLaren both have top cars again next season, it could be really exciting with Alonso, Massa, Hamilton and a hopefully revitalised Kimi all fighting it out, especially if the Brawns and Red Bulls are still in the mix.

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I'll be really interested to see how Kimi fares when given the same machinery as Lewis.

It is not just the machines that need to be the "same".

Obviously Ferrari have been favouring Massa with an understeering car.

Once Massa was out of the way they started looking after Kimi again and the results followed.

Luckily both Kimi and Lewis like oversteering cars.

But the Lewis camp seem to go to war against competitive team mates, just look what they did to Alonso.

Kimi is apolitical and tries to just get on with the driving, but that didn't seem to help at Ferrari, even though he brought them the WDC.

Also interesting will be the politics between Massa and Alonso at Ferrari now.

It will probably be war.

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Sidewaysbob

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I know he's Canadian, i ment he''d only driven in north american open wheel championship and IMSA GTP1 classes up to the point he got into an F1 car. though checking Wikipedia, i see he did Jap F3 and Formula atlantic. But nothing spent most of his time in Indy car, at just the point they were about to part from the Formula 1 design ethos.

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gone fishin

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Also interesting will be the politics between Massa and Alonso at Ferrari now.

It will probably be war.

You'd better believe it- one thing that Alonso is not good at doing is sharing a team. I wonder how Massa feels about all of this? He was basically the no 1 driver this year (and if the contract between Ferrari and Alonso was signed last year, it explains why they preferred Massa this year) to back to being a secondary driver (just like behind Schumacher and Kimi in his first year).

Funnily I was speaking to one of my Italian co-workers today about it all (massive Ferrari fan) and he's really upset about Alonso moving to Ferrari. After a terrible year, he thinks it could destroy them!

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It is not just the machines that need to be the "same".

Obviously Ferrari have been favouring Massa with an understeering car.

Once Massa was out of the way they started looking after Kimi again and the results followed.

We're talking about McLaren here though. As I understand it, they're much better at treating their drivers equally than Ferrari.

Luckily both Kimi and Lewis like oversteering cars.

But the Lewis camp seem to go to war against competitive team mates, just look what they did to Alonso.

I was under the impression that it was Alonso who went to war with Hamilton, precisely because he (Alonso) was 'only' getting equal treatment.

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Any predictions for Suzuka?

It's a track characterised by lots of fast corners (it's a difficult track in Forza), so I'd expect Red Bull to do well, but I think they're just too fragile. So, I'm going for Button - let's hope he can keep the heat.

Mind you, it wouldn't be surprising if he completely balls up quali, to keep the championship down to the wire.

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morcs

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We're talking about McLaren here though. As I understand it, they're much better at treating their drivers equally than Ferrari.

I was under the impression that it was Alonso who went to war with Hamilton, precisely because he (Alonso) was 'only' getting equal treatment.

McLaren traditionally concentrated on one driver, there were stories about Ron Dennis actually saying things like "what are the others doing?" referring to the number 2 driver and his engineers. Coulthard was treated as such, and said he felt a bit of gratification when he heard that Alonso was suffering the same sort of thing.

They seem to treat Kovalainen in a similar way, upgrades were brought to Hamilton's car before his.

Not saying it's a bad thing, it's just the way they do it. They seem to like Kovy because he doesn't spit his dummy out about it.

It might be entirely different under Whitmarsh of course.

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