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Sidewaysbob

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We all enjoyed the first 7 races with button winning. It was so unexpected, the 1st in Oz was great, it's always a lottery there with new cars. drivers and teams. So i though, Okay, Brawn lucked that, but they deserve it after winter they'd just had. As they carried that success on, we saw Button deliever with consistant and measured performances.

But as the other teams got their act together and challenged Button he dropped the ball and started making mistakes. Last year Hamilton and Massa fought tooth and nail for wins and points. You always felt that eaither could win if the other had a problem. The latter half of this year and you just don't get the feeling that Button will win. He'll be in the mid top 10.

He won those first 6 races fair and square. But after that he sort of lost that edge for me. Turkey was the last time he showed any balls when he pressures Vettel into a mistake and took the win. Since then he's been too careful.

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What's Alonso done with the development of the Renault? bugger all, Hamilton and the Mclaren team have performed miracles with a car that was at one point so stiff it went through corners on three wheels. It's not like kovalinainamnamn has made a huge contribution to what's happened with the car. Alonso has done nothing, it's been two years timeout to take the slice of cash and wait for the Ferrari drive. I hope he finds it amazingly difficult, and Massa could make an intersting team mate for him too. The dirty cheating spanish git.

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While this year has been refreshing I hope (for once) that Mclaren and Ferrari bring the best cars for 2010.

Hamilton vs Alonso vs Massa vs Kimi will be quite a spectacle, especially as they'll be battling each other whilst weaving through Cosworths (cars/bits of)

Then if it's Button vs Vettel vs Webber vs Rosberg fighting amongst themselves for the remaining points positions 2010 will be awesome.

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Bruciebabie

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Here we go. I have been watching/following F1 since Jim Clark in the Lotus 25. Don't support any team/driver, just watch and enjoy. Here is my take on the current top drivers in F1. Obviously everyone will disagree, especially the fanbois. It is important to note that there is a huge difference between being fast and being a racer. As soon as you have much understeer or oversteer you are no longer fast.

Button: Incredibly fast as he uses the maximum grip from all four tyres with his driving style. Peerless in the wet, one magazine analysed him as the fastest ever wet driver. Very rarely makes mistakes. Demon overtaker, has made 8 places in an F1 race on a number of occasions. Won all 34 races of the 1991 British Cadet Kart Championship. Likes a car to be set up to his neutral driving style. Very light and sensitive on the car.

Kimi: Certainly the fastest driver currently in F1, possibly the fastest ever. Amazingly brave. Would be 3X WDC if McLaren hadn't given him fragile cars. Won WDC in second best car. Light on tyres which can cause him tyre temperature problems. Often does fastest lap in the race.

Vettel: Very fast. Useless at overtaking and makes lots of mistakes. Over rated?

Alonso: The most complete all round driver currently in F1. Has it all. Will get good results out of a bad car. 2X WDC against Schumacher and Kimi. Massively improved a dog of a Renault over each of the last two seasons. Multiple more WDC potential at Ferrari.

Hamilton: By far the best racer currently in F1. Driving style precludes him from being truly fast. Has been favoured with the best car until this year. Did not make a poor car outperform. Rough on tyres which may cause problems with heavier cars next year. Still learning and improving rapidly. Still makes lots of mistakes.

Kubica: Very fast and a great racer. Last year was leading the WDC in an inferior car. Very rarely makes mistakes. Multiple WDC material given a good car. I think he is a better all round driver than Hamilton and is the best of the new intake.

Massa: Great technician after many years of Schumacher tutoring. Fast in the right car. Needs to lead from the front, not the best racer currently in F1.

Rubens: Jedi journeyman. Immense experience and good cars give him results. But always a natural number two driver.

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Bruciebabie

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Piquest, Speed, Nakajima, grosjean, Alberquerky, buemi ............ Trulli.

aye, all the best drivers in the world in F1

Piquet: 2003 British F3 six wins, five podiums and eight pole positions. 2004 won championship. 2006 2nd in GP2 championship.

Speed: Prolific karting career from age 10, won 200 SKUSA Super Pro Title. 2004, won Formula Renault 2000 Eurocup series and German Formula Renault series. 2005 3rd in GP2 series.

Nakajima: 1999 Suzuka Formula ICA karting champion. 2003 Formula Toyota champion. 2005 2nd Japan F3 series. 2005 GP2 top rookie with 5 podiums.

Grosjean: 2003 Swiss Formula Renault 1.6 championship, won all ten rounds. 2005 French Formula Renault champion with 10 wins. 2007 F3 Euroseries champion. 2008 GP2 top rookie.

Alguersuari: 2006, won Italian Formula Renault Winter Series. 2008 British F3 champion (youngest ever).

Buemi: 2007 second in F3 Euroseries chamionship. 2008 GP2 Asia came second in series.

Jarno Trulli: F1 4 pole positions. 10 podium finishes.

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Sidewaysbob

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Piquet: 2003 British F3 six wins, five podiums and eight pole positions. 2004 won championship. 2006 2nd in GP2 championship.

Speed: Prolific karting career from age 10, won 200 SKUSA Super Pro Title. 2004, won Formula Renault 2000 Eurocup series and German Formula Renault series. 2005 3rd in GP2 series.

Nakajima: 1999 Suzuka Formula ICA karting champion. 2003 Formula Toyota champion. 2005 2nd Japan F3 series. 2005 GP2 top rookie with 5 podiums.

Grosjean: 2003 Swiss Formula Renault 1.6 championship, won all ten rounds. 2005 French Formula Renault champion with 10 wins. 2007 F3 Euroseries champion. 2008 GP2 top rookie.

Alguersuari: 2006, won Italian Formula Renault Winter Series. 2008 British F3 champion (youngest ever).

Buemi: 2007 second in F3 Euroseries chamionship. 2008 GP2 Asia came second in series.

Jarno Trulli: F1 4 pole positions. 10 podium finishes.

None of them have won the GP2 championship.

Euro F3 not really full of talent. there are a lot of paid for drivers in there. Formula Asia is constantly won by European drivers. Formula Renault is very dependant on the team and the money they have available. there are loads of European drivers pounding roaund year after year with far more money than talent.

All have them have failed miserably to live up to the billing in F1. I might be being a bit harsh on Buemi, he's got a crap car. But Vettel won in Monza last year in a crap car, and Sutil has done good things this year when the oportunity presented itself.

Trulli especially has failed to live up to anything approaching his hype. He was midly intersting in the ill fated Prost and then was utterly rubbish on race day in the Renault (apart from one run when everyone else crashed) was okay as a one lap qualifying run man but has consistantly failed to turn poles into wins time and again, He's dull in the extreme and constantly falls asleep half way through the race, he's failed to turn good tstratergies into race wins .... but he does make nice wine and does alot for charity.

Button is definalty not the fastest race out there either. He's the same as prost and Hill, he can pound round lap after lap and be right on the money, but he's never hung it out where the angles play russian roulette. He's a safe driver, not an exciting driver like Hamilton.

Kubica i think benifitted from Mclaren and Ferrari taking each otehr out last year, the win in Canada was lucky, he wasn't the fastest that day, if Hamilton han't run into the back of Kimi he'd have been 3rd at best. Ferrari declined to pick him up, but apprently renault will for next year. We'll see, but he's done a lot of whinging so far and not really taken the fight to the front yet.

I'd say Massa was more Latin flair and passion than technician. Mickey shoes has turned him into a champions driver, but he still look sketchy when the going gets tough.

There are some trully fantastic drivers out there right now. but lot's of them aren't in Formula one.

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Bruciebabie

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Button is definalty not the fastest race out there either. He's the same as prost and Hill, he can pound round lap after lap and be right on the money, but he's never hung it out where the angles play russian roulette. He's a safe driver, not an exciting driver like Hamilton.

Very interesting post, thank you.

And you make my point for me re Button/Hamilton.

Button is the faster of the two because he balances the car (but, yes Kimi is faster). Oversteer just scrubs off speed.

But Button's skill is difficult to see and not widely appreciated.

Hamilton is the best racer currently in F1 and is entertaining to watch in a way that most people can understand. However his oversteer style is slower, ruins the tyres and results in him making lots of mistakes.

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And if drag was the only thing you had to worry about they wouldn't have wings.

All drivers push the car to a certain amount of over/understeer to get the fastest times. Brundle mentioned this weekend that you have to aim the car at the wall before the apex and let understeer bring the car out.

Probably right on the 3 degrees though, 10 sounds too much.

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