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What I really don't understand is how the situation was allowed to continue where Flav is both manager to a load of drivers and also (until recently) employer. He effectively was paying NPJ's wages as boss of Renault F1 and then taking a 20% cut of those wages for himself.

How did he manage to convince the top brass at Renault that the situation wasn't a massive conflict of interest?

How did contract negotiations even work? did he run round the desk, talking to himself? record one half of the negotiation on tape?

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He was clearly just left to get on with whatever he wanted to do. He is such a massive personality that that's how he always did it. Makes me wonder what else is dodgy. Made me laugh with him saying he didn't want to end up like Bernie being an old man playing with cars. What a cock.

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This isn't day care. It's the pinacle of motorsport. Piquet couldn't cut it in the big time. I'm sure he's a very competant driver.But he couldn't get anywhere near Alonso. He couldn't raise his game when told to, was dog slow all the time and needed wrapping in cotton wool to get the best out of him. He got there because Piquet Snr was bezzy mates with Flav and Bernie.

Put him in a Mclaren and he'd still have been last. He was rubbish at F1

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What other poor souls are on his books now.

And for the record Piquet was shit. It's taken nigh on 12 months for people to work out he crashed deliberately he did it that regulalry and with style.

I'm sure there's an indycar seat across the pond where he can hit the wall at 200mph for shits and goggles.

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I'm glad he's a whistle blower, teams shouldn't cheat. There is bending the rules and then there is cheating.

He only blew the whistle when he got fired, after keeping his mouth firmly shut for the best part of a year. That somewhat undermines his moral authority.

Had Flav not fired him, we wouldn't know, and quite possibly would never have known.

If NPJ had blown the whistle after the race, or even as late as the off-season, then I'd have had some respect for him for doing it. But as it is, it's only come to light as an act of revenge against his employer and he's only acting in the interests of the Nelsons Piquet, not the sport.

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He only blew the whistle when he got fired, after keeping his mouth firmly shut for the best part of a year. That somewhat undermines his moral authority.

Had Flav not fired him, we wouldn't know, and quite possibly would never have known.

If NPJ had blown the whistle after the race, or even as late as the off-season, then I'd have had some respect for him for doing it. But as it is, it's only come to light as an act of revenge against his employer and he's only acting in the interests of the Nelsons Piquet, not the sport.

This.

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Posted by Ed Gorman on September 17, 2009

http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one...son-piquet.html

On that night I was far too naive to suspect that Renault could have fixed the whole thing. I remember hearing people discussing it and dismissed it immediately. I just could not accept, for a moment, that a team would risk its driver or risk its reputation in that way or sink that low. But I was wrong. Some of my colleagues were not so sceptical and among the most prescient was the veteran Joe Saward who dealt with potentially explosive and legally sensitive material cleverly in his race report. Have a look here, it makes interesting reading.

Singapore GP, Singapore, September 28, 2008

http://grandprix.com/gpe/rr800.html

There were some cynics (there always are) who reckoned that the team's strategy was to have Nelson crash soon after Fernando had completed his stop and thus create a situation in which Fernando gained an advantage over the rest of the field. One can see this argument, but one likes to believe that no team would ever be so desperate as to have a driver throw his car at a wall. In all probability Piquet just screwed up - he has done that a lot this year. If not, he must have been offered something worth having because he needs to impress in the few remaining races as this has been a very poor season.
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Has Barrichello announced he intends to retire? Every rumour I hear about driver changes seems to include him not being at Brawn next year, but I've not heard him say he's going to quit nor can see why he'd want to change teams (or they'd want him out!).

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Has Barrichello announced he intends to retire? Every rumour I hear about driver changes seems to include him not being at Brawn next year, but I've not heard him say he's going to quit nor can see why he'd want to change teams (or they'd want him out!).

He hasn't no. And if he wins the WDC he's hardly likely to retire is he?

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So that was Europe.

The circus has packed itself up and is off round the world for the final 4 races. First up it’s the night race in Singapore, and this year it looks like it could be a wet race. Now I’m not too sure what happens if it’s raining for a night race. I suspect they’ll cancel it, oh they’ll drive around a bit so see how the conditions are. But I’m pretty sure the drivers will refuse to drive if it’s belting it down.

So, let’s see if Renault will be taking part after today’s FIA “throw the book at Renault for cheating outrageously” meeting. Having fired Flav and Symonds the chances are Renault will get a slapped wrist and told not to do it again. Then in the corridor outside Max will tell the head of Renault that “The FIA is sorry about that and please don’t leave, pretty please, look we’ll blame all of this on Piquet we never really liked him anyway, please don’t go .. we love you please please” etc etc.

The FIA need Renault more than Renault need to spend money on being also rans. So don’t expect too much in the way of a fine.

So to the race, and I have no idea who’s going to win. Last year Alonso cheated his way to the win. This year the KERS boys are once again talking themselves up, but Monza showed that KERS isn’t a sure fire winner just yet.

Singapore is another street circuit like Valencia and Monaca. It’s not quite as tight as Monaco and more interesting than Valencia, but the usual rules apply. Piquet showed how easy it is to hit the wall here last year, with few over taking places a good grid slot is essential.

With Redbull limping round with dodgy engines it’s going to be another Brawn, McLaren, Ferrari fest out there. Hamilton is always a committed driver, Kimi is having a bit of an Indian summer. The Brawn chappies are fighting for a Championship, Barry needs more points than button so has nothing to lose. Force India could well be in the mix again. At the back of the grid will be Toyota as they look to wind up their involvement in F1, they’ll be gone by next year I’m sure of it.

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the word on the street is that rosberg will get the drive at Brawn possible replacing the one that doesn't win the championship. Mercedes is greasign the path as it were. Personaly i still can accept Rosberg as being german. It's just wrong.

I just can't see this happening- what if Rubens wins the championship, with Button coming second? Why on earth would you replace Button for someone like Rosberg- who frankly has done nothing to justify a move to Brawn? It's been mentioned plenty of times, but it's in Brawn's best interest for Button to win- purely from the sponsorship side of things. Rubens isn't going to be in it for that much longer- but I think he still has another 2 years in him, especially if he finishes second this year (which there is a huge chance of).

It really pisses me off when you see sponsors/engine suppliers determining who should be driving at a team. If you really want to fuck up a winning team, let the sponsors/suppliers make the driver selection decision. I mean, if you want an example- take a look at Williams (Nakajima, for example, has done absolutely nothing to justify his position in F1, apart from being Japanese, and then there was the whole issue of BMW deciding on which drivers should be chosen.).

Hopefully Brawn aren't in the financial position where they have to rely on their engine supplier's cash, where they cave in to every demand. If they can get the relationship like Mercedes and McLaren, then I don't think there should be too many problems. And if they win the WDC and Constructors, they shouldn't be short of sponsors for next year.

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I posted this earlier on, as far as I know a main title sponsor is not allowed be added during the racing year. So while Vigin didnt initially commit big money at the start, they dont get to plaster Virgin all over it. I would also presume that it makes the car stand out among the others to get more noticed so next yr there are ppl all over Brawn next yr to get sponsorship on the car.

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I posted this earlier on, as far as I know a main title sponsor is not allowed be added during the racing year. So while Vigin didnt initially commit big money at the start, they dont get to plaster Virgin all over it. I would also presume that it makes the car stand out among the others to get more noticed so next yr there are ppl all over Brawn next yr to get sponsorship on the car.

Indeed. I also read that Honda had pretty much funded the team for this year and it's next year when they will need the sponsors...

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