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Dandy_Sephy

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Webber reprimanded for getting a lift from Alsono, gets automatic 10 place grid drop for next race for third reprimand. Alonso gets a reprimand as well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24198278

Red Bull's Mark Webber has been given a 10-place grid penalty at the Korean Grand Prix.

The Australian and Ferrari's Fernando Alonso were both given reprimands after the Spaniard gave Webber a lift back to the pits afterthe Singapore Grand Prix.

Webber retired on the last lap and was stranded at Turn Seven. Alonso stopped to allow him to climb onto his car as he drove back to the pits after finishing second.

It is Webber's third reprimand this year, triggering an automatic grid penalty.

His previous two were in Bahrain for a collision with Mercedes' Nico Rosberg and in Canada for not slowing down sufficiently for yellow caution flags.

Both stopping on the track and going on the track without permission are banned.

Webber went out on to the race track to accept a lift from Alonso, who stopped in the middle of the track, despite the marshals telling him not to.

Alonso's stationary Ferrari forced two cars behind to take avoiding action.

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Well yes, but at the same time following their own clear rules. Alosno stopped on track while cars were still going around (who had to swerve), and Webber obviously walked on the track to get to him as cars were going around. Hardly safe, and by the sounds of it the FIA have been showing the incident, sounds pretty cut and dry.

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Some journalists have said the FIA have a case as the Mercs had to take action to avoid a collision, but in that case at least release the footage along with the news so you don't look like total killjoys.

Even if they do have a case I'd rather it was dealt with behind closed doors, this just looks like a case of F1, yeah that's the one where no fun is allowed, in the regulations and everything.

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What, and break their own clear rules? Wouldn't that just give them a rod for their own back when it happened again? The FIA/Stewards have made some stupid decisions over the years but following the rules seems like a much missed consistency to me. You could argue that common sense should be applied, but given the need for safety rules to be followed and the likes of Webber and Alonso should be setting an example, there isn't much leeway.

This is the sort of situation where the involved drivers changes perception, if it was Vettel or the likes of Maldonaldo, it would cause a very different reaction. At the end of the day they both know the rules and only have themselves to blame, especially after ignoring marshals.

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If it was Vettel picking someone up I'd still be in shock, especially if it was Webber, I still wouldn't want to see him get a punishment. I'm perfectly happy to see drivers pick up other drivers, just make sure you're careful when stopping to pick them up.

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Well thats the thing, if it was done in a safer way they would probably have gotten a quiet ticking off like you suggested. If it was a clear track they would probably have gotten away with it. Then again, better escape routes from the track would have solved the problem, but being a street track makes it a bit harder.

It would be nice to see some footage though.

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Yeah, as a spectacle the season is over.

Just realised it's 6 months till March '14 and I can get properly interested/excited for an F1 race again.

Looks like I picked the wrong time to buy NBC sports for F1 coverage. What are the changes next year? This was the first race I've seen for years, some odd teams leading the pack, need to relearn everything. I cheered when Massa got into the points. My daughter asked if the red car had won, I had to explain why it was still exciting to get a point.

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Well that was all pretty dull yet again.

Look I’m not trying to take anything away from Vettel here. However, it is dull watching a driver disappear off into the distance with no one to actually race with. And i’m just not sure why no one is there taking the fight to the German? Webber was there or there about until the engine in the Redbull Flambéed itself at the end of the race.

Alonso did hid usual thing of dragging a reluctant car to the front of the race .... for the love of God why can’t Ferrari just give this man a car to race with, why do we have to watch such a superb talent waste his time chasing after a driver that is a bit iffy under pressure and even more suspect when it comes to overtaking ?

Look even Kimi who was whacked up on painkillers after picking up his new Ferrari contract and putting his back out, was up there behind Alonso, as once again the Mercs failed to turn up and deliver on some of that mid season promise.

Which is all a big shame because i think F1 cars look absolutely stunning in HD under the lights in Singapore and a bit of paint swapping at high speed was what you really want to see here. Not yet more dust from Vettel as he wonders off to collect yet another trophy.

But hey, its Korea next and that always throws up exciting races ... doesn’t it !

Vettel won then, ho hum he was just that much faster than anyone else. Even the safety car just served to underline how much faster he was when it went in and he disappeared up the road. I don’t think there’s really any doubt that the championship is his to lose now .. is there ?

Alonso second again, He was 32 seconds further back, but it may as well have been a whole continent away. It’s still impressive that he was there though, if you saw any of the Friday practice sessions where he spent the three hours of running fighting a car that resolutely didn’t want to go round any corners. It looked like he was trying to wrestle with a bag of angry cats, sawing away at the steering wheel with a sort of blind hope that the back end would follow the front into the corner. It looked jolly spectacular, but not very fast. So second is something of a testament to his skill and that of the team that they got it on the podium at the end.

Kimi, third and I don’t think anyone expected that after he finished qualifying in thirteenth. Apparently, he tweaked a nerve in his back at some point and there were some doubts of his participation in the race. Some of the more humorous elements of the media suggested it had more to do with Lotus still failing to pay its star driver even after he signed to drive for Ferrari in 2013. Whatever the reason for his reluctance to race on Sunday, he managed to bring the car home on the podium and looked just as surprised to be there as Vettel and Alonso did.

Rosberg was fourth, and he almost made a race of it. He almost beat Vettel to the pole and he almost beat the Redbull driver off the lone ... but he didn’t and after that he just sort of watched Vettel drive away from him. However, he beat Hamilton this weekend so I guess he will be happy with that. But a podium was there for the taking and he failed to deliver .... again.

Lewis was all bubbly and happy on Friday, disappointed on Saturday and dejected on Sunday. And to think some people were talking of the Brit making a fight of the championship. That is two races now where the car has worked out of the box on day one then got progressively worse as the weekend has gone on. Is it Lewis struggling to set up and develop this car over a race weekend or a more fundamental problem with the car not following the evolution of the track? It’s in stark contrast to Redbull who are always off the pace at the start and on the podium at the end of a weekend.

Massa sixth, he struggled even more than Alonso with a misbehaving car on Friday, but still qualified ahead of Alonso on Saturday, which seeing has he’s just been fired for Kimi, must have been sweet. However, once the race started he didn’t really go anywhere. He’s hoping to get a competitive drive in 2014, I’m not sure where that is going to come from. Lotus maybe, as long as he doesn’t expect to be paid I suppose.

Button in seventh, they rolled the dice, tried to get to the end with used tyres and pick up a podium. They failed again and I still don’t see that changing. The whole “make it to the end on these tyres Jenson” Did smack of desperation to a certain extent, didn’t it. After the BBC had caused a minor storm in a very small tea cup when they blew Whitmarsh’s perfectly ordinary comment that “yes, any team would take Alonso at the drop of a hat” into BUTTON TO BE FIRED ANY MINUTE NOW AS MCLAREN SIGN ALONSO THIS AFTERNOOON YOU HEARD IT ON THE BBC FIRST SHOCKER!Q!!!!!!!!21”!!!!!! media storm.

Martin had to spend the whole weekend telling every media outlet that “No, we have no plans to sign Alonso ....ever” It’s turning into a long old season for the boys and girls from Woking. Imagine walking into any meeting looking for sponsorship, with the knowledge that this is going to be the worst season the team has ever had. No podiums and just picking up point where they can, they’re not racing each weekend at the moment, just surviving.

Perez, still no idea what anyone sees in him ... a geriatric Button is beating him !!! The word is he’s going to be given his marching orders at the end of the season and Hulkenberg signed up. What do you think ?

Hey look, Hulkenberg was ninth. Ferrari don’t want him, Lotus look like they’re interested in signing Massa, Sauber are getting some Russian embryo to drive with their Russian money next year ... He must have McLaren on speed dial right now, or we’re going to lose a pretty handy talent at the end of the year.

Sutil was tenth and I don’t think anyone cares anymore.

Amazingly Pic was last, not Bianci who had to change a steering wheel pretty early on, or even Max.

As I say Korea next at early o’clock in the morning and I do not intend to get up early to watch another Redbull fest.

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