wev Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Shit, fucking hell Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gospvg Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Come on Williams !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMD Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 What the fuck is going on with the pit stops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiroquai Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Think we're on for Alonso hunting Maldonado down in the last laps here. This could be exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wev Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 It always seems to be the left rear that teams struggle with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiroquai Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Come on Lotus, pull Kimi in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gospvg Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 What are lotus planning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudley Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 What are lotus planning? Bankruptcy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gospvg Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Really praying the tyres keep going for Maldonado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wev Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Hopefully today shuts up all those who are still calling him a "pay driver" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiroquai Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Hm, I've got a feeling we might be hearing the Spanish national anthem at the end of this. Ted reckons the tyres hit the cliff after 25 laps - Pastor stopped with 24 laps left. Bugger. A fan of Alonso, but he has a habit of party pooping what could be amazing underdog wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gospvg Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 FRIGGIN ALONSO !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudley Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Hopefully today shuts up all those who are still calling him a "pay driver" He is a pay driver. By definition. Of course so was Alonso when he started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wev Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 He is a pay driver. By definition. Of course so was Alonso when he started. They all are, all the drivers carry sponsorship with them that will be a part of the package they can offer a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiroquai Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 One thing's for sure: if Maldonado keeps his tyres in and wins then it will have not just been the drive of a journeyman, but the drive of a properly good F1 driver. EDIT: We have now gone past the point where the front two could stop and come out in front of Raikkonen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudley Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 They all are, all the drivers carry sponsorship with them that will be a part of the package they can offer a team. What sponsorship is, for instance, Massa bringing Ferrari? Pastor has his money because Venezuela throws it at anyone half competent. That doesn't mean he's not very, very good of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wev Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 There's also that whole "if you do well at Catalunya, you'll do okay for the rest of the season" stuff that all the journalists like to bring up. This race bodes well for Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gospvg Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Ferrari sounding nice, friggin coulthard had to talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wev Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 What sponsorship is, for instance, Massa bringing Ferrari? Pastor has his money because Venezuela throws it at anyone half competent. That doesn't mean he's not very, very good of course. True enough, but then what does Massa bring to Ferrari at all nowdays? My point is, if you've got a good driver on your books, you're going to attract more sponsors. Look at the Sauber, it's gradually gained sponsors as the car, and more importantly, Perez and Kobayashi have proved themselves, they've become a more attractive package because of those drivers. Another example, the 1996 Arrows was pretty bare if memory serves me rightly, they manage to stick Damon Hill in their cockpit and they have a car covered in sponsors. People use "pay driver" as a stick to beat a teams decision to employ a driver, but to have a big sponsor behind you is pretty much the only way to get into Formula 1 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudley Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Yes but there's a difference between that and a driver who will be personally sponsored by the self same companies no matter where they go. Perez btw, is one of those drivers and responsible for most of the logos on that car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gospvg Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Maldonado & Alonso tyres to drop off & Kimi cruises pass for the win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiroquai Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Amazingly, Sauber are in-effect sponsored by Roman Abramovich and Carlos Slim. That's a combo that pretty much could give them the biggest budget on the grid. EDIT: Come on Pastor, keep going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gospvg Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Kobayashi, great drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wev Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Yes but there's a difference between that and a driver who will be personally sponsored by the self same companies no matter where they go. Perez btw, is one of those drivers and responsible for most of the logos on that car. I'm fully aware that Perez is highly sponsored by Mexico, he's also a Ferrari development driver and it would be easy to assume that one of the reasons he has that seat is down to Sauber being a Ferrari customer. My point still stands that "pay driver" is used far too often to knock a driver down, when the reality is its often the only option a driver and teams have when choosing a driver. No doubt Di Resta's seat at Force India is also partially down to his affiliation with Mercedes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudley Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 It shouldn't be used as an insult though, it's just entirely wrong to claim calling him a pay-driver is in some way inaccurate. He is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wev Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 I never actually said he wasn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMD Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Decent GP this, even without the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gospvg Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Maldonado is going to win this & Alonso to lose 2nd to Kimi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wev Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Come on Kimi! and Meatball of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudley Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 I think Alonso's realised Mal will take him off to win if he has to and is going for the points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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