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I finally watched the madness on wheels thing about Group B the other night. I'm yet to watch Senna, but I know Balestre was a massive arsehole, and this is the perfect compliment to preceed what kind of a jouster this bloke was. It's also interesting to note how many of the Group B boys got involved with F1....

Seriously though, Rallying more popular than F1? astounding.

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Does anyone recall how much Belestre in the spotlight for a typical TV viewer at the time? All I've ever been able to remember over the years is really not liking the guy back then, but I have no sense of where that came from.

Perhaps it was in a more accessible era* and meetings or press conferences were briefly included in the BBC programmes of the day?

*I'm reminded every time I see old races how different it was pre-Bernie Digital, hence wondering if we also got occasional behind-the-scenes footage away from a rare documentary or news piece.

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I don't think he was in it that much, I could be wrong but he was a cantankerous old bastard and not the sort of person that you'd parade around as the head of your sport. I've certainly not seen that much footage of him, I still haven't watched senna yet but I know he's in it quite a bit. The madness on wheels does focus on his inability to deal with most situations that came about from that time. Although in fairness, it just seemed to run and run and none of the teams seemed able to put the anchors on what was happening.

Anyway, Rohl and Vatinnen. Yowsers, I could listen to them both all day long. I also had absolutely no idea how very nearly dead Vatinnen was when he broke the seat in his T16. What happened to all those T16's? there were hundreds of them in that car park.

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Well that's no surprise, wonder if that has any impact on this seasons finances, they've seemed to struggle in keeping up with developments as it is recently.

Stolen from twitter "So if you missed it. Lotus took over Lotus to become Lotus but now Lotus don't sponsor Lotus anymore but they will still be called Lotus." :wacko:

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Well that's no surprise, wonder if that has any impact on this seasons finances, they've seemed to struggle in keeping up with developments as it is recently.

Stolen from twitter "So if you missed it. Lotus took over Lotus to become Lotus but now Lotus don't sponsor Lotus anymore but they will still be called Lotus." :wacko:

And that twitter doesn't even cover the dual-Lotus saga.

Crazy.

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Seems like Group Lotus are allowing the team to continue to use the Lotus name in return for the team not suing them over all the sponsorship dollars they've supposedly not received.

Yeah, we all totally saw this coming months ago.

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What happened to all those T16's? there were hundreds of them in that car park.

Good question. The RS200s and 6R4s went into rallying and Rallycross. There were two or three 205 T16s in Rallycross, Seppo Niittymaki had one in 1987, Matti Alamaki had one in 1988. Alamaki was the only guy to try a Delta S4 in Rallycross. They had to build 200 of them, but the story goes that some of the Group Bs were just shells.

There is a roadgoing T16 coming up for sale in a couple of weeks. http://www.classican...ing-up-for-sale

£90-£120,000 seems cheap for something like that.

Edit: Found a YouTube vid with some T16s in French rallycross in 1989.

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I've always thought that he and Matt Neal have been six of one and half a dozen of another when it comes to racing incidents, but their cars seem much more evenly matched this year. With several of the other teams able to challeng for wins it hold be a good year.

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He really is a bit of a tool isn't he? I can't say I've really taken much notice of him in the past, but last night there was something nawing away at me. He just comes across a bit meh.

He bitched all day long about all kinds of bobbins then refused to accept even a modicum of blame for punting off Newsham at Paddock Hill - miserable cockend.

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Bahrain.

Bernie Ecclestone: “It is business as usual. There are some clashes with police, isolated in villages. Some of these clashes are very small — 10 or 15 people — but it gets blown out of proportion and made to sound as if the whole nation is rising up. Seriously, the press should just be quiet and deal with the facts rather than make up stories.”

It's not like F1 has been politicised.

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The mind boggles.

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"I feel very uncomfortable about going to Bahrain. If I'm brutally frank, the only way they can pull this race off without incident is to have a complete military lock-down there. And I think that would be unacceptable, both for Formula One and for Bahrain. But I don't see any other way they can do it."

One unnamed team principle who said his views were representative of the others, source. I wouldn't want to be Whitmarsh at the moment, right in the middle of it I imagine.

Seems there was a story on the front page of the Times today about how the teams have plans in place should it not go ahead and from James Allen "going on BBC Radio 4 PM prog at 5-15pm to discuss Bahrain GP with a UK MP who's pro the race and a local activist who's against." So seems like the press focus is really starting up now.

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