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Meers

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Sky cover everything over the weekend. And it's all there in HD and 5.1 sound.

Same here on RTL7, but we don't have to pay extra for it as it's all in the basic digiTV package. :P

Having said that though - our commentary guy didn't pick up on the obvious team order at all. Did the Sky commentary pick up on it?

Also, can someone link me to that 6 champions youtube vid that got posted in here a couple of days ago, please? I can't find it anymore.

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Don't get the Sky bashing here at all. No doubt I'll get negged to buggery, but the truth is that Sky cover everything over the weekend. And it's all there in HD and 5.1 sound. It isn't hidden away on a red button option in SD. They stayed with the race after it over ran - no missing out on coverage because a hoard of sad bastards get upset if Eastenders doesn't start on time. Thumbs up from me as the postives far outweigh the negatives.

How much is it costing you again? you pays your money and take your chances. I've heard nothing at all so far that justifies the expense.

I don't recall missing anything last year........?

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JPR

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The stewards have actually blamed Karthikeyan for it, given drive through so 20 seconds added to his race time, means he finished 22ns instead of 21st.

Peter Sauber denies Perez was ordered not to attack Alonso.

Peter Sauber has denied any suggestions that Sergio Perez was ordered to not attack Fernando Alonso for victory in Malaysia - because it would prevented engine partner Ferrari taking an important win.

Perez was closing in on Alonso for the lead of the race in Sepang when a call came on the radio late on for him to take care.

His engineer told him: "Checo, be careful, we need this position, we need this position"

Shortly after that order was made, Perez ran off the track and lost valuable time – which cost him any chance of overhauling Alonso for a shock win.

That radio message prompted wild conspiracy theories that Ferrari may have requested Perez to back off to protect Alonso's chances – but Sauber has rubbished such talk.

"We told him, be careful – we need the result – because behind us, all of our competitors scored points," Sauber said when asked by AUTOSPORT about the situation.

"[it was because] we needed the result, not the position, so there is some misunderstanding. Behind us our competitors, all the midfield teams, scored points and it was so important that we kept the result not the position."

When asked if there had been any discussion with Ferrari about the situation, Sauber said: "One hundred per cent nothing. We had no discussion about Checo and we had no discussion about the position."

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Jonny5

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The Ferrari paranoia in here is hilarious. :)

Awesome result and great to see Perez taking the fight to the Fezza. I couldn't help wondering what bob would have to say about Perez's performance this week. What's up with Hamilton, he's done nothing of note in either race this year. Was gutted that Jenson lost his wing, I reckon the result would have been very different if he hadn't. Jenson totally has the measure of Lewis in the races.

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thesnwmn

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Quote of the weekend from Jenson during Q2:

Jenson: so who's P1, Nico or Michael?

Engineer: Err... Would you like another guess. It's Raikkonen

And I had some luck. I took up the free £10 bet with SkyBet and put it on Raikkonen for fastest lap at 16/1! He nailed that at the end so that £160 pays for half of my years sky sub.

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Once again the old adage that, one should never count ones chickens until all the eggs have hatched is proved by a single Formula One race. Seven days ago everyone had Ferrari dead and buried, an impossible car to drive and no idea what to do with it, the media were calling for Domenicali’s head and Massa to be shot out of a cannon into the face of the sun.

This evening, okay the Italian press is still calling for Massa to be fired out of a cannon, but the car is perfect and their driver Alonso is the greatest driver ever to wear the red overalls. A brilliant win of a race that started in the rain, was delayed for an hour as the HSE threw a red flag, then a superb drive to hold off a hard charging Sauber to claim a very unexpected win at the a second event of the season

And you can’t take anything away from that win either. It was a true old school Alonso victory, against the odds and with his back to the wall. When the moment presented itself, he nailed Perez into turn one and never looked back.

Unfortunately that isn’t the story of the weekend though. The tin foil hat brigade is incensed by a simple radio message seven laps from the end. This was sent, from the pit wall, to the Sauber of Perez who found himself in the unusual position of chasing Alonso down for the first win of his F1 career.

It said simply “Checo, be careful, we need this position, we need this position”

Which to any normal person means ....

“Look lad, you’re in a comfortable position, a guaranteed second place. We have no sponsors and we need the points. We would rather see you bring it home for the money than make a do or die move on a Ferrari driven by a man who is not going to give this one up ... do you understand”.

Now you may think that because the engine in the back of the Sauber is supplied by Ferrari, that maybe Ferrari had a word with its satellite team and maybe said, “Right lads, don’t louse this up or the engines you get next month might not be quite so pukka, know what I mean Guv’ner”

Or perhaps maybe, just maybe the fact that Perez is being linked to Ferrari as a replacement for Massa as soon as the start of the European leg of the championship. That Perez might think twice about stealing the win from a team he wishes to join and a team mate who would be his number one.

It all depends on how tight that tin foil hat is really. Oh I know in the past Ferrari have played fast and loose with their own team orders and threatened to throw their toys out of the pram for the most minor of reasons. But ordering another team, an engine customer team, to stop racing to keep that engine supply? I don’t think they would and Peter Sauber the owner of Sauber F1 is a straight up dyed in the wool racer. He’s been knocking around motor sport since the 80’s in sports cars. So he’s not some push over, some new boy with no history. He has integrity and a sense of honour. He rescued the Sauber team when BMW flounced off the DTM last year, the team has his name on it and I really don’t think he would throw a win away to keep an engine deal. When asked if there had been any talks with Ferrari during the race, Mr Sauber said "One hundred per cent nothing. We had no discussion about Checo and we had no discussion about the position."

It is all a moot point anyway as Perez managed to throw it away all on his own. Ahhh but the tin foil hat nay Sayers point to that and say “but look he was told to stop racing and he went off the road deliberately, look we are right look ... look, and that Bernie is a lizard that feeds on the blood of new born deer, he went off under Ferrari orders ” etc etc etc.

Now every racing driver I’ve ever met, and that is a few, would have rather cut their left foot off than throw a race. Remember Barrichello giving Schumacher the race in Austria all those years ago? If you recall Ferrari told its own driver to move over and let the team number one through after Barrichello had completely dominated the whole race. The Brazilian did as he was told 100 metres from the line and with a whole shed load of bad grace.

Then there’s Ferraris current whipping boy Massa being told to move over in Germany, who do so with real undisguised disgust, it was the start of the end for him, and he never challenged Alonso again. The bad PR was endless.

Racing drivers do not throw races to keep engines, even the ones about to be signed for the team ahead of them. Perez pushed and pushed and then made a mistake that took the momentum out of the attack. With rain forecast for the end of the race it was better to get the points on a day when the big boys had dropped the ball and he was about to deliver a hat full of points. You can’t get a Ferrari P45 slip between the midfield and if he had thrown away a second place, it would be him facing the cannon shot into the sun now.

It may well have crossed his mind that he was about to challenge a Ferrari for the win and maybe he has already got his signature on a contract with prancing horse logo. So he may have thought “Good opportunity to show them I can race for every point” or he may have though, “better to show them I can do as I'm told”. Or how about “Best not take a car out I could potentially be driving next month”. Equally “I’ll show them I'm willing to fight for every point I’ll stick up the inside next time we reach the end of the pit straight”.

There are hundreds of thoughts he could have had. But the one first and foremost would have been “Don’t screw this up now”

Anyway there were some other drivers and teams.

McLaren had a bit of a nightmare after Hamilton nailed pole again on Saturday and failed again to turn it into a win. Whilst Jenson normally imperious in a changeable conditions race, clipped the back of the mobile chicane Karthikeyan and spent most of the afternoon complaining about his tires not gripping. No smug father and ditzy girlfriend flapping around the media this time around. Team Button was conspicuous by its absence post race.

Also a bit lost at sea was Mercedes. The car can obviously nail a single qualifying lap when its trick rear wing do dar can optimise the balance and deliver the silver car to the sharp end of the grid. But come Sunday and its literally chewing the tires up. Rosberg and Schumacher went south the moment the life was gone from the tires and no amount of weaving around can save them. Why anyone would want to protest that rear wing when it’s clearly not delivering any race performance what so ever, is beyond me. Let then go for pole and over take them on lap 15 like normal.

Anyway, rain made it a bit of a lottery, hence;

1st Alonso, I doubt many people went for that. It was a combination of luck and good old smarts. He passed Perez when he had the chance and used KERS to just about stay ahead. And like Last week the driver chasing him was the one that made the mistake.

This win now means he’s leading the championship, no I don’t believe it either!

2nd Perez. His stock has rocketed through the roof with this. I still don’t like him; one good result does not make for a world Champion after all. Petrov was third in Australia last year and the next big thing, now he’s tooling round in a Caterham. So I'm going to hold judgement for now. I will say that he drove a barn stormer of a race and really showed that given the right conditions he has what it takes to be a race winner. But then, Trulli was technically a race winner too.

He did a great job and could have won the race, if just finishing hadn’t been so important to Sauber. Was blindingly fast on used rubber and traded fastest laps with Alonso as they fought it out.

Let’s just see what he can do on a dry track when the big boys are there to play too.

3rd Hamilton. Bit of a smile this week, but poor pit work again and a lack of race pace left the boy wonder to run a quite race. Vettel and Webber tried to catch him at the end but Vettel clipped the HRT mobile chicane and punctured his rear tire. The points are ticking over, just not enough of them. Bringing his mum to the races is obviously working, not so much the trophy girlfriend, who looks less and less comfortable whenever Mr Hamilton senior is there. Still it’s a long old championship this year; there will be plenty of time for that relationship to thaw out.

4th Webber, did alright, didn’t hit anyone and did about all he can with a car that isn’t as good as last years. It’s suffering from a lack of rear grip as it goes into and through the apex of a corner ... what they need is some sort of way to energise the rear wing as the driver lifts off into a corner. Maybe with exhaust gasses too and the diffuser or something .. I don’t know, something like that.

5th Kimi. Changed the gearbox and got a 5 place penalty on Friday. Started 10th ended up here in 5th. Then he got the fastest lap just like the good old days. Missed a massive PR opportunity by not having Walls ice cream delivered to him as the teams sat under the gazebos waiting for the rain to stop.

6th Senna. The B spec Senna charged around like a thing possessed. Punted his team mate at the start and fought back from dead last to claim a hat full of points. Whisper it VERY quietly ... Williams might just have a handy little car this year, imagine what do proper drivers could do with it.

7th Di Resta. More luck and more points. The car still didn’t look all that fast and will need a lot of wind tunnel time for the next two weeks.

8th Vergne. This was a pretty special drive from the Torro Rosso Rookie. Before the red flag came out he was tooling around in the top ten on inters as the rest of the rest of the grid slithered around on full on storm wets. That takes balls and a lot of skill. During the winter season the Torro Rosso would pop up now and then and deliver these great laps. It’s obviously a well sorted car and Vergne is proving to be quite a skilled driver. Ricciardo was also driving like a man on a mission for a lot of the race, so I'm starting to think these boys might soon be regulars in the top ten.

9th Hulkenberg. Not bad, not brilliant but better than more notable names in red cars with far more experience.

10th Schumacher. Salvaged some pride for Mercedes, but mostly looked to be holding up the pack. They need to figure out why it’s chewing the tires up so fast and do it before the rest of the midfield get a real handle on their own cars. BMW and Toyota upped sticks and quite when they couldn’t show the board of directors the results ... will they soon do the same at Mercedes?

Finally our last placed driver would have been De La Rosa, but the FIA got so annoyed with Karthikeyan getting to tenth and then wondering around like he was a racing driver or something and trying to use his car to stop people over taking him. That then slapped him with a 20 second penalty at the end for hitting Vettel, which means he gets demoted to 22 and dead last. Well done to him. In further HRT news Luis Pérez-Sala, Team Principal writes: "Yesterday after qualifying we were satisfied and today, thankfully, we are again. We met another target which was to finish the race with both cars” Well done to them, crossing their fingers and hoping not one but both cars will finish just shows you they’re not here to make up the number at all.

and finally the results you've all been waiting for ....

Dean,18

Myoozikk,17

James Roberts,16

Duane Weatherall,16

Arakawa Automotive,14

Sidewaysbob,14

Joffy,13

Nosey Parker,13

jonny,12

chrisJericho,11

Bradlay Law,11

kiroquai,11

Simbo,11

Mortis,11

Davius,11

Stephen Rose (mexos),10

Tomox,10

G-Force,10

Formula Velse,10

Matt,10

MrPogo,10

reani_,8

Elmlea,8

PeteyPops,5

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dayte

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Peter Sauber and the team are just going through the motions. What I find more puzzling is that people here will just blindly accept it, considering how F1 is rather susceptible to results based on what happens off the track.

It's got 3 sides to it... Sauber and its link with Ferrari engines, Perez and his future with Ferrari (which has been all but cemented with this race) and crucially, the Italian press and Ferrari, who have been giving them a bollocking back home since Australia. This victory is the perfect remedy to that, and no way was a customer team with a driver in their apprentice scheme going to ruin that.

Rest assured, if that was Hamilton, Webber, Raikkonen or even Senna (well done to him btw, Williams are back!!) in Perez's place, catching at a second a lap, he would have breezed past him and taken the victory.

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JPR

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Peter Sauber who seemed to be in tears at the fact his team got second decided to sell the chance of a win?

Also Peter Sauber who I assume was on the pit wall for the whole race, how did Ferrari talk with him? If someone went to him it would have been spotted, not sure if the radios also work for pit to pit but if they do they're likely open as they are for pit to driver.

I think bob got it spot on about Peter Sauber's character and the fact those points and the high finish are vital to his team financially.

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Last week everyone was calling Maldanado a chump for throwing away much less points pushing hard trying to get past Alsono, yet now it seems inconceivable to some that a team would just want to settle for second.

Vettel really showed a lack of class after the race when talking about his puncture and Karthikeyan, I'm all for drivers having a personality and flipping someone the bird out on track while the adrenaline is pumping but compare Button's post race interview to Vettel's and it says a lot.

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Christoph84

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What a thoroughly enjoyable race!

Without wanting to labour the point, Sauber aren't the kind of team to pander to an engine supplier. The radio message (which yes, could have been a distraction) was a sign of just how important the points are to the team. they've got fuck all decals on the car and that points haul could be worth a fortune in revenue come the end of the season.

I would have loved Checo to send one up the inside of Nando, but reigning in a driver isn't a conspiracy, sometimes it's just sensible.

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For the comments about the BBC continuing coverage on the red button - that's really useful if you are recording the race :/ same for any extra coverage. Unless you watch live you can't record any of it that isn't on the main channel.

And just for clarification I was referring to the BBC shooting off straight after the race and not showing the drivers interviews etc. I like watching the press conference and so many times they just cut and left.

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Just finished watching the BBC highlights (fucking work). Absolutely delighted for Perez and even more so Peter Sauber who doesn't get as much credit from the F1 paddock as he deserves. All the Ferrari tin hat shit is absolutely amusing, regardless of how quickly Perez was closing that gap, there is no way Alonso would allow him through.

As for the Spaniard and that Ferrari, reminds me of that wet race Schumacher at Catalunya in 1996.

The Hispania's are ridiculously dangerous imo, when Button hit Karthekayan he had no where to go because that HRT had pretty much stopped.

I can imagine a more dangerous scenario though, Massa in an Hispania.

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djbhammer

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Just watched the race in full - awesome stuff, I just love it when it rains in F1!

Perez was outstanding and has surely sealed the No 2 seat at Ferrari for next season. Such a shame he went wide towards the end as I was convinced he was going to win. I thought Senna was superb too, every time the camera was on his car he was slicing past someone.

Bernie, get those sprinklers installed now!

Oh, and piss off Vettel - you are an idiot for having no class and for being a sore loser. Not using your finger to celebrate now are you?!

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Vettel becoming a sore loser? I'd say the Button-Karthekayan incident was just one of those things that happens when a fast car is stuck behind a slow car. Vettel moving across Karthekayan, slicing his own tyre, and then blaming the Indian is absolutely pathetic. Where do the FIA stand on "signals"? I know they let hand waving slide, but didn't Coulthard get punished for sticking his finger up at Schumacher years ago?

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Vettel becoming a sore loser? I'd say the Button-Karthekayan incident was just one of those things that happens when a fast car is stuck behind a slow car. Vettel moving across Karthekayan, slicing his own tyre, and then blaming the Indian is absolutely pathetic. Where do the FIA stand on "signals"? I know they let hand waving slide, but didn't Coulthard get punished for sticking his finger up at Schumacher years ago?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17504555

Somebody call the whaaaambulance.

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kiroquai

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Sauber aren't the kind of team to pander to an engine supplier.

Try telling that to Noberto Fontana! http://forum.globalf1.net/topic/28332-more-dirty-secrets-from-jerez-1997-revealed/ ;)

In all seriousness though, don't think anything went on today. Just disappointed as a Perez win would have been an epic story for the sport, and Peter Sauber deserves a win (like Crofty, I don't really count the BMW win at Montreal as a 'proper' Sauber win).

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