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kiroquai

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There's a chance that the Caterham could be unveiled earlier if peoples F1 Racing subs arrive early isn't there?

Or is it via their website?

Good point. It's the Mag, so the car will probably 'leak' online Wednesday.

Oh, and talking of batmobile - definitely when you look at this one!

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JPR

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Didn't realise Proton had been sold, the owners of Lotus, but it could get interesting. Seems the new owner has no interest in Lotus who've also racked up a lot of unpaid bills around the world, that coming from my father who is currently working with one of those companies yet to be paid. I wonder if it could have any impact on the F1 team, maybe Fernandes will get the Lotus name after all.

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JPR

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Yes not too serious about Fernandes sure he's happy with what he has now, still wouldn't be too surprised if he took satisfaction in being the last man standing.

It's not too much of a surprise with Lotus, as they did seem to want to go from nearly no motor sport to competing in everything overnight. Wonder if it will have an impact on the teams competitiveness over the season. I think that was quite a big problem for them last season, doesn't help having what I assume was an expensive to develop system banned at the last minute.

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Shimmyhill

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Proton haven't been sold, someone bought the Malaysian governments stake in Proton.

Also Lotus haven't sold cars a month, we went over this pages back i thought :coffee: If Lotus were for sale then the list of suitors would be huge, Lotus engineering alone is worth a fortune to all and any car manufacturer - i can't see any of the (remaining) big players letting Group Lotus going to Chinese hands...

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Paradigm

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God I hate how bloody contrary F1 fans are. Article on BBC News re: Bruno Senna's pace was the perfect example.

Obiously to like F1 you have to declare that a driver is either shit or good, nothing inbetween. Likewise, sponsorship or rags to riches, no middle ground.

It's full of people disregarding F1 people's opinion on his pace and then bemoaning that as he isn't consistent he shouldn't have a spot over an ageing Barrichello. These would be the same people who moan that Vettel's consistency and Schumacher's before that is ruining the sport.

He is cursed having that name, I feel sorry for him. He has shown himself to be as quick as plenty of other F1 drivers (with much less time being developed) and yet people still bemoan sponsorship or his uncle for being given a seat. He will never win, even if he becomes world champion.

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wev

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He's shown he's at least as good as Heidfeld and Petrov and if anything deserved to keep his seat at Renault. The fact he's happy to take a seat at a team thats clearly struggling says alot about his wanting to be in the sport and he appears to genuinely enjoy himself, you very rarely see him without a smile on his face.

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Dudley

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Peter Windsor suggested on the flying lap that sponsorship is basically part of the driver's job. He's got hte most chance of anyone in the team at getting to talk to CEOs etc, he is basically the "public" face of the team.

He's got a point. It's not like Ferrari don't benefit hugely from the Santander money Alonso brings for instance.

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JPR

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Yes, it was the Government selling it's share, but still the company has someone in charge now who doesn't seem to like Lotus and has no intention of putting money into it's projects. So that could potentially have ramifications for the F1 team if they find themselves having to cut costs. I guess the list of suitors would depend on how big the debts are, plus they've been pulling away from things like F1.

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Peter Windsor suggested on the flying lap that sponsorship is basically part of the driver's job. He's got hte most chance of anyone in the team at getting to talk to CEOs etc, he is basically the "public" face of the team.

He's got a point. It's not like Ferrari don't benefit hugely from the Santander money Alonso brings for instance.

It has always been thus, though. It's not like Stirling Moss, Graham Hill et al were from the mean streets. Ever since the dawn of motoring the majority of drivers have been self funded from privileged backgrounds. The fact this has moved from family money to sponsorship is neither here nor there. It's just easier to pretend black is white if you want to direct vitriol towards a driver you don't like.

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Shimmyhill

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Yes, it was the Government selling it's share, but still the company has someone in charge now who doesn't seem to like Lotus and has no intention of putting money into it's projects. So that could potentially have ramifications for the F1 team if they find themselves having to cut costs. I guess the list of suitors would depend on how big the debts are, plus they've been pulling away from things like F1.

Group Lotus have assured money that was part of the deal apparently, they are secure - if a new buyer comes along they would have to honour this agreement, things like the buildings and store opening are all in this funding and in progress, many of the new models are starting long term tests etc so again funding in place.

Lotus F1 is still Lotus/Renault funding is in place and they are not part of the loss making arm of lotus - the group was a 'mere' 26 million in the red but most of that was for the big expansion startup costs with 270million of funding put aside for this and loses expected - its actually pretty positive at Lotus these days, i mean they haven't made a penny in the 15+ years proton bank rolled them but bottom line was never why Proton owned them.

The sale is the government pulling assets out of private companies, the Genii bid failed apparently hence this latest deal.

Long term i doubt there are interests in staying in F1 but in the short term its good exposure for the 'new' Lotus brand and cars - they are trying to triple car production from 2.5k to over 7k a year and the F1 branding is all part of the advertising budget.

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SMD

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Everything else you say is bang on the money, but IIRC he changed his name to Senna. It's certainly a double edged sword but he's enjoyed it in part!

Yeah because if he hadn't, you'd never be able to tell he was related to Ayrton Senna.

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mexos

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God I hate how bloody contrary F1 fans are. Article on BBC News re: Bruno Senna's pace was the perfect example.

Obiously to like F1 you have to declare that a driver is either shit or good, nothing inbetween. Likewise, sponsorship or rags to riches, no middle ground.

It's full of people disregarding F1 people's opinion on his pace and then bemoaning that as he isn't consistent he shouldn't have a spot over an ageing Barrichello. These would be the same people who moan that Vettel's consistency and Schumacher's before that is ruining the sport.

He is cursed having that name, I feel sorry for him. He has shown himself to be as quick as plenty of other F1 drivers (with much less time being developed) and yet people still bemoan sponsorship or his uncle for being given a seat. He will never win, even if he becomes world champion.

I'm bemoaning that Sutil didn't get the seat, based purely on pace. Expect to see MASSIVE Embratel logos on that Williams. <_<

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I'm bemoaning that Sutil didn't get the seat, based purely on pace. Expect to see MASSIVE Embratel logos on that Williams. <_<

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Williams

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Pretty sure Sutil's court case has something to do with him not getting the seat at Williams, they have gone on record as saying that he "was a big part of their plans".

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It has always been thus, though. It's not like Stirling Moss, Graham Hill et al were from the mean streets.

Moss I'll give you, but Hill started out as a Mechanic at Lotus and worked his way up (after serving as an artificer in the navy during the war). not really a priviiledged background.

The dapper moustache gave off this great sense of being posh, but he wasn't really.

The thing is that back in those days you /did/ have much more of a chance of working your way up from nothing. in that period in the UK you had many more active circuits (all those disused bomber bases) and a thriving 500cc F3 scene which was within the reach of many more people than F3 is now. you still needed money, but as multiples of the average wage it wasn't as far removed from attainability as it is now.

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I'm bemoaning that Sutil didn't get the seat, based purely on pace. Expect to see MASSIVE Embratel logos on that Williams. <_<

I'm not sure there's an especially powerful argument for Sutil being faster than Senna.

Sutil is as much of a pay driver as Senna as well. He's brought sponsorship to MidlandSpykerForceSaharaIndia every year.

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davius

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Whilst we eagerly await more racing action, I'm experiencing some withdrawal symptoms and really want to watch the 2011 Canadian GP again.

Do any of you know if it's readily available anywhere? Quick Google searches don't yield any positive results.

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JPR

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No worries about Bahrain,"Bahrain is the country in the region where there are the fewest problems," according to Bernie, oh hang on, the U.S. State Department is moving it's embassy staff to safer locations in Bahrain as the political unrest has elevated security levels, who to trust?

Also the guy from Bahrain has been posting again on the Autosport forum, interesting to hear from someone out there and he does seem to give the impression that things are starting to pick up again. Thinking about it and reading about some of the events going on, just those posts seem like an arrestable offence in the current climate out there, if you've got people going to jail just for a text message, which is just quite strange to think about when reading them.

Hopefully people will start bypassing Bernie and just asking questions of the teams and drivers again, Ecclestone won't cancel it on his own.

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Whilst we eagerly await more racing action, I'm experiencing some withdrawal symptoms and really want to watch the 2011 Canadian GP again.

Do any of you know if it's readily available anywhere? Quick Google searches don't yield any positive results.

mp4 files okay for you?

http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/313964069/canadian+grand+prix+2011?tab=summary

Otherwise good luck with this one, only 1 seeder apparently: http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/313975913/canadian+grand+prix+2011?tab=summary

Unless you're a member of The Box, in which case it's on there and will be fine speed wise.

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mp4 files okay for you?

http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/313964069/canadian+grand+prix+2011?tab=summary

Otherwise good luck with this one, only 1 seeder apparently: http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/313975913/canadian+grand+prix+2011?tab=summary

Unless you're a member of The Box, in which case it's on there and will be fine speed wise.

That's magic, hope it picks up quicker than the one week ETA though heh.

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That's magic, hope it picks up quicker than the one week ETA though heh.

I have the highlights from the BBC on my hard disk but no home net connection so can't upload it for you for a good few weeks :( sorry.

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