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Cheeko

Cheeko

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Ive to agree with this. Id much prefer to see 1st, 2nd and 3rd bunched up together during safety car, it brings it back to racing and especially the likes of Vettel running away with each and every race if a safety car is deployed it gives the others to catch up.

Ok some will argue that If Driver X is 25seconds ahead then he deserves it, but usually they are the same people that go OH FFS another Driver X parade.

I agree with getting the back markers out of the way as well, people are harping on about safety, you know what isn't safe? A bunch of back markers getting in everyone's way when they're trying to jostle for position, evidence of which can be seen at the first corner of most grand prix where lesser drivers toward the rear of the grid consistently trip over each other and make bad decisions.

The safety car can still be a means of providing a safe racing evironment AND making the racing more exciting to watch.

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mexos

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No it doesn't, it brings it back to artificial bunching.

We already have artificial overtaking. What's the difference?

You chose a different pit strategy to pull out an early lead? Fuck you. Your race is ruined by luck. It's the exact opposite of racing.

It's the same for everyone. Shit happens.

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Wools

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Well no, it was an accepted part of racing until the FIA decided they wanted more overtaking.

Move all you damn well like, you're only slowing yourself down.

No it wasnt.

Although the rules were open a few decades ago, the drivers did not swerve or block the man behind because it was not considered part of the sport and itll get them killed.

From Nigel Roebuck:

One thing, I must say, that I would like to see changed is the 'one move' thing, which came in a few years ago, and made it permissible for a driver to swerve - once - in front of a rival attempting to pass. You can dress this up how you like - but that's what it amounts to: you are allowed to 'block' another driver, so long as you only do it once. Inevitably, it gets abused - over time I've seen such as Michael Schumacher (the high priest of 'moving over') change direction two and three times to keep another driver from overtaking, and I can't ever recall a time when the sin was punished.

Time was when 'blocking' was an absolute no-no in motor racing - something that simply wasn't acceptable. Those who did do it incurred the wrath of their fellows. "Jesus," Keke Rosberg once said of Ayrton Senna, "if this sort of thing is OK now, we could finish up with a situation where nobody could ever overtake anybody! Is this really what we want to see in this sport?"

There was an F1 driver in the early seventies called Mike Beuttler, who really wasn't very good, but became notorious for keeping people back by chopping across them as they sought to pass. I relate this only because he quickly acquired the nickname of 'Blocker', and that tells its own story, doesn't it? So unusual - and unacceptable - was the practice in those days that someone who did it was singled out for contempt.

In the IRL and in Champ Car, the practice is now officially banned, and if you do it, you are swiftly penalised. Inevitably, this ban has improved the racing, because overtaking is obviously easier - and it also can't have hurt the safety aspect, either. Given that F1 has become preoccupied with safety in this era, it seems to me astonishing that such a potentially dangerous practice has now been sanctioned. Of course F1 is a hard sport, and so it should be - but I think it should also, as much as possible, be a fair one. And I don't see anything admirable in beating someone simply because, when he tried to pass, he was given a choice between abandoning the idea or having a big accident...

I cant stand blocking in any form of Motorsport, its the driver in front delaying the inevitable and its bloody dangerous.

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Dudley

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If your talking about artificial, blue flags. Get rid of those buggers asap. Fighting through the back markers is a skill lost. Sorted the men from the boys & then some.

Well if you look at this thread you'll see me agreeing with that on several occasions.

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gospvg

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Yeah, I'm REALLY nervous on this one. No news makes me think there going to fuck us.

I'm hoping they will offer it as a separate channel subscription & not tie it in with the sky sports package.

I'd be happy to pay £10 a month watch but not £30.

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Sidewaysbob

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That was my point about american racing, full course yellows and endless farting around as they get backmarkers into place then open the pit then clean up then have a cup of tea then move all the marschels back then open the pit again for cars with a German driver then close the pits and clean up a bit then open the pits for all EU drivers but not greek or italian drivers until they promise to pay their tax. etc etc ...

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kiroquai

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And I would debate very strongly that the rules in Indycar improved a damned thing.

As would I. It just gave the impression that the series organisers didn't trust their drivers (although given how IndyCar races on street and road courses went this season, they may have had a point) and led to a number of insanely harsh penalties for 'blocking' when the driver in question had done nothing wrong.

Case in point:

27 seconds in - that was classed as moving back to take his line after defending. Anyhow, for something like Formula 2, Formula BMW or such I could understand that kind of rule. For a sport that's supposed the be the very pinnacle it's just silly.

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Bruciebabie

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Changes announced by the FIA were:

Confirmation of the requirement for exhausts to exit out of the upper rear bodywork "in order to ensure that the aerodynamic effect exhaust gases have on the car is kept to an absolute minimum" - a ban on the downforce-boosting technology known as "exhaust-blown diffusers" which has dominated development in the last two seasons

The re-introduction of one three-day in-season test

A reduction in the maximum race time, in the event of a grand prix being suspended after the start, to four hours from eight. The maximum racing time is still two hours.

A change to the safety-car rules which will allow all lapped cars to un-lap themselves before a re-start

Taking shortcuts during practice or qualifying, for example to save fuel, has been banned

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zxcvbnm

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So who will the BBC have for their F1 team? Is Eddie staying? I hope so, as he was actually quite good, and I wouldn't even mind him commentating on the odd occasion. DC knows his stuff, but is a bit dry so needs someone alongside him with a bit more personality. Irvine would be perfect, if they had someone with a quick finger on the BEEP button.

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gospvg

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I've they give Legard anything i'll run a bloody mile from the BBC.

ON A CHAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGEEEEEE!!!!!! :doh:

I think he will be cheap for the bbc to employ unless they have any other motorsport commentators they could move over?

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Was speaking to a mate of mine that works in broadcasting. According to him the cuts to the F1 coverage have basically saved an entire channel, in terms of cost savings. I feel less bad about it all now. Unless he was talking about BBC3.

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